1 00:00:37,470 --> 00:00:21,840 [Music] 2 00:00:44,430 --> 00:00:41,770 explode the bazaars are your e-ticket 3 00:00:47,710 --> 00:00:44,440 ride into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:52,020 --> 00:00:47,720 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:56,470 --> 00:00:52,030 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:01:00,610 --> 00:00:56,480 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters 7 00:01:05,109 --> 00:01:00,620 as well as other dimensions it's time to 8 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:05,119 take back the night now your 9 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:07,369 electrifying hosts of exploring the 10 00:01:24,940 --> 00:01:21,880 bones and bones and rod bones and bones 11 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:24,950 and bones and dry bones and bones and 12 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:28,490 bones and dry bones and that's the word 13 00:01:35,499 --> 00:01:32,330 of the Lord the big toe connected to the 14 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:35,509 little toe little toe connected to the 15 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:41,570 anklebone mm-hmm oh boy 16 00:01:49,630 --> 00:01:45,650 look at all these bones mummified bones 17 00:01:52,450 --> 00:01:49,640 all around me I don't think I'm ever 18 00:01:55,810 --> 00:01:52,460 going to get out of here to make it to 19 00:01:57,550 --> 00:01:55,820 the show in time you know I'm afraid of 20 00:02:00,429 --> 00:01:57,560 tripping over these bones they're such a 21 00:02:06,770 --> 00:02:00,439 pile of bones it's bones and bones and 22 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:09,930 why thank you very much Tim I appreciate 23 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:12,370 that well and I'm sorry you're not going 24 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:14,770 to be with us tonight because we really 25 00:02:21,150 --> 00:02:17,770 do have a fascinating program we've got 26 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:21,160 two excellent guests we have with us 27 00:02:26,670 --> 00:02:24,250 tonight Barry Fitzgerald and Steve Mehra 28 00:02:30,510 --> 00:02:26,680 and we are going to be talking about 29 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:30,520 mummies no not the Boris Karloff or the 30 00:02:36,300 --> 00:02:33,010 Abbott and Costello types of mummies but 31 00:02:39,980 --> 00:02:36,310 we're going to be talking about the the 32 00:02:43,290 --> 00:02:39,990 controversial South American mummies and 33 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:43,300 let me just give you a little bit of 34 00:02:50,310 --> 00:02:46,209 information about our two guests we have 35 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:50,320 Barry Fitzgerald who has nearly 30 years 36 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:53,010 of experience in the world of 37 00:02:59,010 --> 00:02:55,930 supernatural investigations he's 38 00:03:01,560 --> 00:02:59,020 appeared in all 56 episodes of Ghost 39 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:01,570 Hunters International and he headed the 40 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:03,730 team on the American NBC own sci-fi 41 00:03:09,060 --> 00:03:06,250 Network and explored a Condrey of 42 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:09,070 paranormal and supernatural phenomena 43 00:03:16,470 --> 00:03:13,530 around the globe he's also the author of 44 00:03:21,030 --> 00:03:16,480 a number of fascinating books including 45 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:21,040 the trilogy of friction friction fiction 46 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:23,410 books the Council of three the palace of 47 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:26,050 darkness and fracture which was released 48 00:03:32,670 --> 00:03:29,650 in March of 2007 now also with us 49 00:03:35,190 --> 00:03:32,680 tonight is Steve Mehra Steve has been on 50 00:03:37,380 --> 00:03:35,200 our show before and he first became 51 00:03:39,930 --> 00:03:37,390 interested in the subject of UFOs and 52 00:03:43,020 --> 00:03:39,940 the paranormal at an early age after 53 00:03:46,130 --> 00:03:43,030 leaving secondary school and he's just 54 00:03:50,190 --> 00:03:46,140 been involved in all kinds of 55 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:50,200 fascinating investigations and I tell 56 00:03:56,910 --> 00:03:52,810 you Steve your book the the house of 57 00:03:59,990 --> 00:03:56,920 fire and whispers absolutely fantastic 58 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:00,000 you know you you did I mean the the 59 00:04:09,270 --> 00:04:03,610 investigation that that that you and the 60 00:04:12,809 --> 00:04:09,280 others conducted there I just you came 61 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:12,819 up with results that you know I don't 62 00:04:16,259 --> 00:04:14,110 think anybody else has ever came up 63 00:04:20,550 --> 00:04:16,269 before especially the 64 00:04:26,790 --> 00:04:20,560 the the EVPs that that weren't like the 65 00:04:28,910 --> 00:04:26,800 the normal EVPs you know most of her 66 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:28,920 like that but the ones that you got uh 67 00:04:34,710 --> 00:04:32,290 we were just so clear and fascinating so 68 00:04:37,050 --> 00:04:34,720 you know you know congratulation to 69 00:04:39,660 --> 00:04:37,060 really uh it's such a great book it's 70 00:04:41,940 --> 00:04:39,670 such a great investigation thank you 71 00:04:43,770 --> 00:04:41,950 yeah it was it was a difficult it was a 72 00:04:46,530 --> 00:04:43,780 difficult investigation two trips to 73 00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:46,540 Seattle but we've got it we go we've got 74 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:49,120 it all sorted out in the end and 75 00:04:56,910 --> 00:04:52,210 unfortunately the owner to move as we 76 00:04:59,610 --> 00:04:56,920 know but we believe their house is been 77 00:05:01,530 --> 00:04:59,620 purchased by and of the family now so we 78 00:05:05,850 --> 00:05:01,540 are keeping our eye on things should we 79 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:05,860 say Oh that'll be interesting yeah it 80 00:05:12,290 --> 00:05:09,370 you know it I would love to see if there 81 00:05:14,220 --> 00:05:12,300 will be a continuation of the phenomena 82 00:05:15,870 --> 00:05:14,230 because I know that you know from the 83 00:05:20,450 --> 00:05:15,880 book that the previous owners of that 84 00:05:28,350 --> 00:05:25,170 okay right right well and and very 85 00:05:30,630 --> 00:05:28,360 welcome to exploring the bizarre so 86 00:05:33,210 --> 00:05:30,640 happy that you could join us tonight now 87 00:05:34,590 --> 00:05:33,220 I need to point out to everyone that you 88 00:05:37,610 --> 00:05:34,600 know since we'll be talking about the 89 00:05:42,690 --> 00:05:37,620 Nazca mummies of Peru 90 00:05:45,590 --> 00:05:42,700 Barry was the director of the film the 91 00:05:49,050 --> 00:05:45,600 mysterious bodies of Peru the beginning 92 00:05:51,450 --> 00:05:49,060 which can be seen on YouTube right now 93 00:05:56,250 --> 00:05:51,460 and I know Tina has a link on our 94 00:05:58,170 --> 00:05:56,260 website for this video and Steve and 95 00:06:02,909 --> 00:05:58,180 Barry both of you I watched this video 96 00:06:04,860 --> 00:06:02,919 and you guys did a fantastic job with 97 00:06:09,500 --> 00:06:04,870 this but you know I don't want to get 98 00:06:13,190 --> 00:06:09,510 too far ahead of myself with this so 99 00:06:16,380 --> 00:06:13,200 since it is just myself Tim Beckley and 100 00:06:18,990 --> 00:06:16,390 is not here and you too 101 00:06:22,110 --> 00:06:19,000 it's just you know it's we'll just keep 102 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:22,120 this kind of like a you know really just 103 00:06:28,230 --> 00:06:24,490 a roundtable discussion so both of you 104 00:06:31,290 --> 00:06:28,240 feel free you know to jump in and 105 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:31,300 and answer questions as I asked them you 106 00:06:36,809 --> 00:06:33,810 know don't be afraid to speak out but 107 00:06:41,850 --> 00:06:36,819 whoever wants to answer first why don't 108 00:06:47,189 --> 00:06:41,860 you tell us a little bit about this the 109 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:47,199 the the Nazca mummies I remember last 110 00:06:54,719 --> 00:06:50,250 year I think as far as what it was seen 111 00:06:56,490 --> 00:06:54,729 a little news report that I was not too 112 00:07:00,270 --> 00:06:56,500 sure whether it was legitimate or not 113 00:07:02,490 --> 00:07:00,280 about somebody finding a number of 114 00:07:05,730 --> 00:07:02,500 mummies in South America that you know 115 00:07:08,700 --> 00:07:05,740 they thought were you know possibly of 116 00:07:12,499 --> 00:07:08,710 extraterrestrial origin and then you 117 00:07:15,779 --> 00:07:12,509 know this year you know Gaia TV came out 118 00:07:19,460 --> 00:07:15,789 with all this and so I figure that this 119 00:07:23,850 --> 00:07:19,470 is probably the same situation so 120 00:07:26,850 --> 00:07:23,860 somebody tell me I mean what what's the 121 00:07:31,860 --> 00:07:26,860 situation here what what are the Nazca 122 00:07:33,659 --> 00:07:31,870 mummies sorry about and well I think 123 00:07:37,379 --> 00:07:33,669 that pretty much came about I mean we we 124 00:07:39,779 --> 00:07:37,389 were aware that Gaia TV had put out the 125 00:07:41,459 --> 00:07:39,789 information in regarding what we refer 126 00:07:43,140 --> 00:07:41,469 to as the body Maria these these are 127 00:07:44,969 --> 00:07:43,150 these are bodies it's the terminology 128 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:44,979 did use these mummies but they do have 129 00:07:51,740 --> 00:07:48,310 the internal organs so the they actually 130 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:51,750 are bodies but I first became aware 131 00:07:57,990 --> 00:07:54,310 visual slave should be saying the visual 132 00:08:00,270 --> 00:07:58,000 sense of Gaia's first release this 133 00:08:02,790 --> 00:08:00,280 summer over the internet from their 134 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:02,800 investigation of Maria when they 135 00:08:08,580 --> 00:08:04,930 traveled to Peru with her me Miss Ann 136 00:08:11,159 --> 00:08:08,590 Mexican journalist and and a number of 137 00:08:14,719 --> 00:08:11,169 photographers and and doctors and so on 138 00:08:18,689 --> 00:08:14,729 and so forth however we were aware of 139 00:08:22,100 --> 00:08:18,699 the discoveries long before long before 140 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:22,110 that rad beginning of the year we were 141 00:08:27,689 --> 00:08:25,330 working with a number of people one of 142 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:27,699 which was the French ambassador of the 143 00:08:33,329 --> 00:08:30,250 in Kerry Institute and where these 144 00:08:34,829 --> 00:08:33,339 things were simply turned up and dropped 145 00:08:39,089 --> 00:08:34,839 on the counter in the sense of speaking 146 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:39,099 and it became out we came to our 147 00:08:43,730 --> 00:08:40,890 attention about that 148 00:08:45,170 --> 00:08:43,740 and we were obviously very curious at 149 00:08:47,210 --> 00:08:45,180 the time but at the same time we've 150 00:08:48,710 --> 00:08:47,220 we've investigated things like this Tim 151 00:08:50,900 --> 00:08:48,720 before you know I mean if it's not 152 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:50,910 skinless raccoons that washed up on the 153 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:53,910 shore beaches it's it's Taylor skin 154 00:08:58,850 --> 00:08:56,730 monkeys caught in traps or it's people 155 00:09:00,949 --> 00:08:58,860 have glued food bits and bobs together 156 00:09:03,699 --> 00:09:00,959 to make fairies you know that the 157 00:09:06,139 --> 00:09:03,709 stories go on and on and on you know but 158 00:09:08,269 --> 00:09:06,149 this was curious we will curious about 159 00:09:12,050 --> 00:09:08,279 this because if this wasn't manufactured 160 00:09:14,170 --> 00:09:12,060 it was done extremely well no we have to 161 00:09:16,970 --> 00:09:14,180 admit well it's not impossible 162 00:09:19,069 --> 00:09:16,980 and we thought obviously this the way 163 00:09:21,199 --> 00:09:19,079 this was the story was going it was seen 164 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:21,209 to be leading straight down the same old 165 00:09:26,269 --> 00:09:24,510 familiar path and with this unusual if 166 00:09:27,590 --> 00:09:26,279 it's the same sort of people tend to be 167 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:27,600 involved in these sort of keeping 168 00:09:31,940 --> 00:09:30,690 investigations and we really wanted to 169 00:09:33,290 --> 00:09:31,950 know the answers to be honest with you 170 00:09:35,389 --> 00:09:33,300 we just we just wanted to know the 171 00:09:38,420 --> 00:09:35,399 traits I mean when we I'm not just about 172 00:09:40,730 --> 00:09:38,430 me a so-called discovery but what's 173 00:09:45,230 --> 00:09:40,740 behind the scenes who's discovered this 174 00:09:48,110 --> 00:09:45,240 how when and did those people involved 175 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:48,120 and and of course the whole stance us to 176 00:09:53,389 --> 00:09:50,600 how these things have certainly found 177 00:09:56,090 --> 00:09:53,399 and of course how the Peruvian 178 00:09:58,610 --> 00:09:56,100 government deal with such things and how 179 00:10:00,110 --> 00:09:58,620 they got to do this and so they're 180 00:10:01,910 --> 00:10:00,120 really the only way I mean to do a 181 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:01,920 listening to thousands of conversations 182 00:10:05,389 --> 00:10:03,810 over the internet going backwards and 183 00:10:07,210 --> 00:10:05,399 forwards every day about this you know 184 00:10:10,370 --> 00:10:07,220 there's a big believers in it these 185 00:10:13,009 --> 00:10:10,380 people dismiss it immediately as a hoax 186 00:10:15,860 --> 00:10:13,019 just like many other things I'm ready to 187 00:10:17,449 --> 00:10:15,870 do so in many cases but really for us 188 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:17,459 it's it's massive as well you know if we 189 00:10:21,949 --> 00:10:19,170 want the truth we really I literally 190 00:10:23,569 --> 00:10:21,959 have to you know go to the source we 191 00:10:26,030 --> 00:10:23,579 have to talk to the people involved we 192 00:10:28,730 --> 00:10:26,040 have to really dig into this could not 193 00:10:32,389 --> 00:10:28,740 examinations and do as literally as much 194 00:10:36,350 --> 00:10:32,399 as we can so basically we we decided to 195 00:10:39,250 --> 00:10:36,360 get together and and myself and Barry 196 00:10:41,180 --> 00:10:39,260 you've been watching this like a hawk 197 00:10:42,740 --> 00:10:41,190 decided basically was that was that that 198 00:10:44,090 --> 00:10:42,750 was enough we'd have to go over the only 199 00:10:46,819 --> 00:10:44,100 way to get the real truth is to 200 00:10:50,420 --> 00:10:46,829 literally go there River logistic lee we 201 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:50,430 traveled all the way to Peru and and 202 00:10:54,259 --> 00:10:52,290 well it just walks bottom Berry was very 203 00:10:56,989 --> 00:10:54,269 second trip as well and 204 00:10:59,359 --> 00:10:56,999 and it was just a matter of gathering as 205 00:11:00,859 --> 00:10:59,369 much evidence as we possibly can we 206 00:11:02,449 --> 00:11:00,869 wanted to make sure that we were 207 00:11:04,819 --> 00:11:02,459 completely transparent people are going 208 00:11:08,179 --> 00:11:04,829 to see exactly what what unfolds as it 209 00:11:11,389 --> 00:11:08,189 happens the the whole documentary was 210 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:11,399 about it being raw allowing me the 211 00:11:17,749 --> 00:11:14,850 viewers to see step by step exactly what 212 00:11:19,579 --> 00:11:17,759 we were facing and just call it as it is 213 00:11:21,619 --> 00:11:19,589 you know we're not gonna we don't have 214 00:11:23,780 --> 00:11:21,629 belief systems in because we just want 215 00:11:26,569 --> 00:11:23,790 to purely get the evidence and base our 216 00:11:29,619 --> 00:11:26,579 our conclusions upon that and that's how 217 00:11:34,429 --> 00:11:29,629 pretty much that how that came about 218 00:11:40,009 --> 00:11:34,439 well do you know where these bodies were 219 00:11:42,949 --> 00:11:40,019 initially discovered Bobby we do we do 220 00:11:44,929 --> 00:11:42,959 and we do have an idea of where they 221 00:11:48,410 --> 00:11:44,939 were discovered it was during an hour 222 00:11:52,269 --> 00:11:48,420 trip there that that we got to speak to 223 00:11:56,660 --> 00:11:52,279 to some of the guys em and and 224 00:12:00,530 --> 00:11:56,670 understand the the geography of the 225 00:12:04,039 --> 00:12:00,540 landscape of Nazca and you see during 226 00:12:06,049 --> 00:12:04,049 during the interview and there are there 227 00:12:10,489 --> 00:12:06,059 are several descriptions that were put 228 00:12:13,999 --> 00:12:10,499 out and that we released and within the 229 00:12:18,889 --> 00:12:14,009 documentary the beginning and it gives 230 00:12:21,139 --> 00:12:18,899 us clues of where this location was now 231 00:12:23,419 --> 00:12:21,149 the problem the problem that we faced on 232 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:23,429 the ground the both Steve and I faced is 233 00:12:30,259 --> 00:12:26,850 that even though we have we have a 234 00:12:35,569 --> 00:12:30,269 really good idea of where this location 235 00:12:37,429 --> 00:12:35,579 is we couldn't pursue the idea of going 236 00:12:41,239 --> 00:12:37,439 to look for it even if we got the 237 00:12:43,789 --> 00:12:41,249 opportunity because the people the 238 00:12:47,900 --> 00:12:43,799 people that surrounded this case with in 239 00:12:49,249 --> 00:12:47,910 Nazca and the work heroes and we're here 240 00:12:54,919 --> 00:12:49,259 oh by the way I should I should point 241 00:12:57,949 --> 00:12:54,929 out um are these grave robbers and we 242 00:12:59,869 --> 00:12:57,959 were told will be shot even if we went 243 00:13:02,329 --> 00:12:59,879 looking for this we would be shot and we 244 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:02,339 would be buried in a shallow grave and 245 00:13:05,730 --> 00:13:04,649 in the desert and no one would know 246 00:13:07,890 --> 00:13:05,740 where we 247 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:07,900 or much like a visit a weekend back to 248 00:13:18,810 --> 00:13:14,170 Vegas but for us for us I gotta say you 249 00:13:21,540 --> 00:13:18,820 know we we were there to track the the 250 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:21,550 moment the moments per se 251 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:25,050 and and and for us we how to keep our 252 00:13:32,220 --> 00:13:29,650 our focus very much on the on the 253 00:13:33,930 --> 00:13:32,230 mummies and and the fact that that's 254 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:33,940 what we were there to do this 255 00:13:40,020 --> 00:13:36,850 distraction of where they come from and 256 00:13:43,140 --> 00:13:40,030 nasca and was a debate that went down a 257 00:13:45,090 --> 00:13:43,150 completely different rabbit hole but we 258 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:45,100 do have an idea of where they come from 259 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:48,730 because of certain signatures that are 260 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:52,810 left within the landscape but we just 261 00:13:59,070 --> 00:13:54,970 physically couldn't go there because of 262 00:14:01,050 --> 00:13:59,080 the threat to our to ourselves and now 263 00:14:04,070 --> 00:14:01,060 that was a really big thing for us to 264 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:04,080 consider because we were already and 265 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:06,250 somewhere let's face it we were already 266 00:14:11,250 --> 00:14:08,290 somewhere that was completely out of our 267 00:14:13,460 --> 00:14:11,260 comfort zone and ended up do it and 268 00:14:15,780 --> 00:14:13,470 doing things and getting calls and then 269 00:14:17,970 --> 00:14:15,790 traveling to places that that we'll 270 00:14:21,090 --> 00:14:17,980 discuss further on in the interview and 271 00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:21,100 that really really set aside side of 272 00:14:28,530 --> 00:14:23,440 that comfort zone that we we normally 273 00:14:31,950 --> 00:14:28,540 like to operate in well it just it it it 274 00:14:37,290 --> 00:14:31,960 makes me curious as to you know their 275 00:14:40,470 --> 00:14:37,300 origin considering the the other skulls 276 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:40,480 that have been discovered in really 277 00:14:45,300 --> 00:14:42,250 generally the you know the same general 278 00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:45,310 area that's in the museum locally and I 279 00:14:48,210 --> 00:14:45,760 can't 280 00:14:50,510 --> 00:14:48,220 offhand remember that what the name of 281 00:14:55,950 --> 00:14:50,520 those skulls are but you know they have 282 00:14:58,560 --> 00:14:55,960 extremely elongated skulls skulls more 283 00:15:03,060 --> 00:14:58,570 so than then you know natives that have 284 00:15:04,740 --> 00:15:03,070 just been you know boarded yeah so I was 285 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:04,750 just curious of you know possibly there 286 00:15:11,970 --> 00:15:06,730 there could have been a connection you 287 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:11,980 know between the two yep but yeah I mean 288 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:15,610 like like you said that that was and you 289 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:18,050 know it do you think that as 290 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:19,610 goes on and you continue your 291 00:15:24,820 --> 00:15:22,850 investigation you know you'll try to you 292 00:15:27,730 --> 00:15:24,830 know make an attempt despite the fact 293 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:27,740 that of the threat of being buried in 294 00:15:33,310 --> 00:15:31,370 the big desert somewhere you know to try 295 00:15:34,860 --> 00:15:33,320 to get a better understanding of you 296 00:15:38,199 --> 00:15:34,870 know where these things were actually 297 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:38,209 found because I just you know I read 298 00:15:43,300 --> 00:15:42,050 something today and and of course you 299 00:15:46,590 --> 00:15:43,310 know this is just you know third-hand 300 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:46,600 information you know talking about how 301 00:15:52,810 --> 00:15:49,250 apparently some of the discoverers said 302 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:52,820 that that they were seeing actually live 303 00:15:56,949 --> 00:15:55,250 versions of these things running around 304 00:16:00,280 --> 00:15:56,959 in the location that they found these 305 00:16:04,269 --> 00:16:00,290 bodies I think so I think I think for us 306 00:16:07,569 --> 00:16:04,279 Tim the the idea that we that we pretty 307 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:07,579 much sure we know where the location is 308 00:16:14,380 --> 00:16:12,890 and because of certain clues that were 309 00:16:18,579 --> 00:16:14,390 left and these clues are impossible to 310 00:16:20,050 --> 00:16:18,589 hide and the the problem the problem 311 00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:20,060 that we faced is that the work heroes 312 00:16:27,190 --> 00:16:23,120 are certainly tried to keep keep their 313 00:16:29,769 --> 00:16:27,200 their site of discovery and free from 314 00:16:35,350 --> 00:16:29,779 prying eyes and the Peruvian government 315 00:16:38,769 --> 00:16:35,360 they gotta add but but for for us the 316 00:16:42,850 --> 00:16:38,779 the the clues are too big to ignore 317 00:16:45,610 --> 00:16:42,860 and if we get the opportunity irrelevant 318 00:16:48,490 --> 00:16:45,620 of what what heroes are saying as to 319 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:48,500 where the location of this of these 320 00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:52,310 chambers are and we believe we know 321 00:16:58,930 --> 00:16:52,880 where they are 322 00:17:03,790 --> 00:16:58,940 and and and depending depending on on on 323 00:17:07,090 --> 00:17:03,800 part to that that we that we may be 324 00:17:09,220 --> 00:17:07,100 making our way back to Peru and with the 325 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:09,230 help of the Peruvian government we will 326 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:13,850 be going to that location so do do you 327 00:17:20,429 --> 00:17:17,329 have any idea how these bodies then you 328 00:17:24,460 --> 00:17:20,439 know ended up you know in the hands of 329 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:24,470 Gaia TV or and then and then revealed to 330 00:17:29,290 --> 00:17:27,050 the outside world well it started off 331 00:17:31,870 --> 00:17:29,300 with with them the encounter Institute 332 00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:31,880 which is based in Cusco Peru 333 00:17:38,050 --> 00:17:34,640 there is a small team of people who 334 00:17:40,650 --> 00:17:38,060 dedicate their lives to investigating 335 00:17:42,910 --> 00:17:40,660 and researching archaeological finds and 336 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:42,920 discoveries they've been doing a lot of 337 00:17:47,290 --> 00:17:45,650 work in the Amazon over the years and 338 00:17:49,150 --> 00:17:47,300 they admit the you know from what from 339 00:17:50,580 --> 00:17:49,160 what we gathered from from visiting that 340 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:50,590 location and talking with these people 341 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:52,970 now they have done some very interesting 342 00:17:57,180 --> 00:17:54,650 and they would work 343 00:17:59,950 --> 00:17:57,190 they've also assisted a lot of people 344 00:18:01,900 --> 00:17:59,960 the kind of adopted families in a sense 345 00:18:03,310 --> 00:18:01,910 of speaking from Hindi Amazon area and 346 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:03,320 they really looked after him so they 347 00:18:07,660 --> 00:18:05,570 have been doing some good work the 348 00:18:10,930 --> 00:18:07,670 president's Kara Hamming who's been 349 00:18:13,090 --> 00:18:10,940 involved a lot in regards to the 350 00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:13,100 surrounding of these the discovery of 351 00:18:19,330 --> 00:18:17,600 these these bodies as publicly announced 352 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:19,340 on numerous occasions and done 353 00:18:25,450 --> 00:18:22,850 interviews about how this story came to 354 00:18:28,570 --> 00:18:25,460 be and apparently it's as simple as 355 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:28,580 these these gentlemen walked in to the 356 00:18:34,060 --> 00:18:31,250 encou Institute and basically just 357 00:18:36,580 --> 00:18:34,070 dropped these things on his counter and 358 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:36,590 said if you like to conduct some 359 00:18:41,140 --> 00:18:39,170 analysis on these you know to find out 360 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:41,150 the legitimacy of these then the fine 361 00:18:44,980 --> 00:18:42,770 then we're going to leave these with you 362 00:18:48,090 --> 00:18:44,990 but they certainly hammered home the 363 00:18:51,670 --> 00:18:48,100 fact that they do own these bodies and 364 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:51,680 at any time they can retrieve them take 365 00:18:58,350 --> 00:18:54,170 them away of course there was a lot of 366 00:19:01,150 --> 00:18:58,360 concern at that time for Thierry because 367 00:19:03,130 --> 00:19:01,160 he's done quite considerable amount of 368 00:19:06,990 --> 00:19:03,140 good work the Peruvian government had 369 00:19:09,910 --> 00:19:07,000 recognized that by even releasing a coin 370 00:19:11,740 --> 00:19:09,920 in commemoration of the work that he'd 371 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:11,750 don't need naturally placed on the back 372 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:16,730 of the coin and some petroglyphs from a 373 00:19:22,690 --> 00:19:19,490 photo they'd taken and whilst in the 374 00:19:25,030 --> 00:19:22,700 Amazon published in his book about those 375 00:19:27,180 --> 00:19:25,040 discoveries so there was certainly aware 376 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:27,190 of his work and quite happy with him 377 00:19:33,070 --> 00:19:29,930 breezy and immediately immediately he 378 00:19:35,860 --> 00:19:33,080 was concerned because the question is is 379 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:35,870 where these come from now if you thought 380 00:19:39,340 --> 00:19:37,130 straightaway obviously these have been 381 00:19:40,780 --> 00:19:39,350 taken from some form of clay resting 382 00:19:42,580 --> 00:19:40,790 place from tomb or something 383 00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:42,590 and if that is the case then the 384 00:19:45,769 --> 00:19:43,760 Peruvian government aren't going to be 385 00:19:47,779 --> 00:19:45,779 all over this because 386 00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:47,789 do consider a Quackers you know a 387 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:48,960 serious crime 388 00:19:55,609 --> 00:19:51,210 I need former tomb raiding especially 389 00:19:57,769 --> 00:19:55,619 even removing items and of course these 390 00:19:59,629 --> 00:19:57,779 are dripping drops on his counter and he 391 00:20:03,049 --> 00:19:59,639 was left with them left with a huge task 392 00:20:07,070 --> 00:20:03,059 to because that thrill rearing the him 393 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:07,080 and his team the whole Institute to the 394 00:20:11,389 --> 00:20:09,570 walls basically because of course when 395 00:20:15,139 --> 00:20:11,399 he went public with this information he 396 00:20:16,639 --> 00:20:15,149 got he did do he managed to get some 397 00:20:20,029 --> 00:20:16,649 money together to convert some very 398 00:20:22,009 --> 00:20:20,039 basic forms of analysis early on in the 399 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:22,019 in year now I don't believe those 400 00:20:31,219 --> 00:20:26,129 results came until just prior to Maria 401 00:20:32,659 --> 00:20:31,229 being discovered however he didn't 402 00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,669 really know how to do with this he was 403 00:20:37,310 --> 00:20:34,559 stuck in the middle because trying to 404 00:20:40,399 --> 00:20:37,320 and making sure that he had to keep the 405 00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:40,409 identity of these tomb Raider's or 406 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:43,679 whoever these people are secret and at 407 00:20:50,209 --> 00:20:48,210 the same time trying to find out the 408 00:20:51,950 --> 00:20:50,219 analysis is Bessey's positively know the 409 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:51,960 resource of what this what these things 410 00:20:56,749 --> 00:20:54,330 were what we represented they'd heard of 411 00:20:58,969 --> 00:20:56,759 three fingered beings before no stuffs 412 00:21:01,940 --> 00:20:58,979 that's nothing new 413 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:01,950 very Nazca because even the the 414 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:05,369 ancestors the day talked Dennis calluses 415 00:21:12,739 --> 00:21:08,609 to say basically they the talk of three 416 00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:12,749 fingered beings and even the sighting of 417 00:21:17,659 --> 00:21:14,580 these things and of course went the 418 00:21:19,879 --> 00:21:17,669 story surrounding the discovery of these 419 00:21:24,019 --> 00:21:19,889 this tomb was purely by accident 420 00:21:26,899 --> 00:21:24,029 apparently and when they managed to 421 00:21:30,859 --> 00:21:26,909 scramble in there and the open document 422 00:21:33,169 --> 00:21:30,869 into the ruin two connecting tunnels but 423 00:21:37,489 --> 00:21:33,179 these do do claim to have seen several 424 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:37,499 small beings fleeing down these inter 425 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:39,450 connecting tunnels and also the 426 00:21:46,999 --> 00:21:42,210 sightseeing of a larger being which had 427 00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,009 a blue pink color to a skin before 428 00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:49,440 disappearing and they were faced with 429 00:21:55,070 --> 00:21:52,559 two sir coffee carry and one of which 430 00:21:56,749 --> 00:21:55,080 was opened and they found to have a 431 00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,759 belief from around about twenty small 432 00:22:02,450 --> 00:21:59,280 bodies in there so the mission school 433 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:02,460 who did relate to find schools scattered 434 00:22:07,940 --> 00:22:04,410 around apparently on the floor and in 435 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:07,950 these tunnels and then of course Maria 436 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:11,130 and a smaller one which is known as 437 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:14,250 we're with Itza we discovered buried 438 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:18,690 partially buried in the soil which has 439 00:22:23,660 --> 00:22:20,490 had some unusual properties within the 440 00:22:25,610 --> 00:22:23,670 soil as well so so they were have to 441 00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:25,620 deal with all this and of course the 442 00:22:30,650 --> 00:22:27,030 press went mad with this and of course 443 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:30,660 Gaia picks up on this information been 444 00:22:37,970 --> 00:22:34,290 in touch with in Kerry Institute and did 445 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:37,980 residual occasion to examine Maria and 446 00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:39,210 of course that was the first thing that 447 00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:41,700 we actually saw in in the press and 448 00:22:49,220 --> 00:22:43,980 already internet was from their very 449 00:22:52,340 --> 00:22:49,230 first visit it it amazes me that so far 450 00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:52,350 they've been able to keep these bodies 451 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:54,900 out of the hands of the Peruvian 452 00:23:00,250 --> 00:22:56,730 government because like you said I mean 453 00:23:04,820 --> 00:23:00,260 these are you know these are considered 454 00:23:07,910 --> 00:23:04,830 valuable artifacts and if if the 455 00:23:09,799 --> 00:23:07,920 government can get a hold of them I mean 456 00:23:12,830 --> 00:23:09,809 they'll confiscate them and I and I'm 457 00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:12,840 sure that anybody that that are found 458 00:23:19,490 --> 00:23:16,320 with them would be suffering pretty 459 00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:19,500 large jail time well gentlemen it's it's 460 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:22,470 time for me to take us into our first 461 00:23:36,430 --> 00:23:25,490 break so we will continue discussion on 462 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:40,610 now back to exploring the bazaars with 463 00:23:46,490 --> 00:23:43,170 two of the most electrifying researchers 464 00:23:52,820 --> 00:23:46,500 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 465 00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:52,830 Lee panting Swartz welcome back to 466 00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:54,840 exploring the bazaar tonight we are 467 00:24:01,160 --> 00:23:58,200 talking about the mysterious Nazca 468 00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:01,170 bodies and we have with us Barry 469 00:24:05,780 --> 00:24:04,110 Fitzgerald and Steve Mehra and I 470 00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:05,790 encourage you that if you have any 471 00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:07,710 questions that you would like our like 472 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:10,380 to ask our guests please feel free to do 473 00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,290 so we'd love to hear from you and we 474 00:24:18,620 --> 00:24:14,880 will try to answer your questions as 475 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:18,630 best as we possibly can so gentlemen for 476 00:24:25,580 --> 00:24:21,330 those of our audience who may not have 477 00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:25,590 heard about these these strange bodies 478 00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:29,600 so why don't you tell us just exactly 479 00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:31,740 what they're dealing with I mean you 480 00:24:38,890 --> 00:24:34,080 know what what did they find 481 00:24:43,549 --> 00:24:38,900 and you know what makes them so unusual 482 00:24:47,570 --> 00:24:43,559 all right well I you know I gotta say 483 00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:47,580 that when when these bodies were first 484 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:51,299 presented to us um and you know it came 485 00:25:00,500 --> 00:24:54,090 and came at the end of a very very 486 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:00,510 unusual day and and we got a phone call 487 00:25:08,690 --> 00:25:04,530 in the middle of the night and Steve 488 00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:08,700 Steve took a call and this call was an 489 00:25:17,030 --> 00:25:13,520 arrangement and to see these particular 490 00:25:18,650 --> 00:25:17,040 these particular bodies initially we 491 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:18,660 weren't quite sure what we were going to 492 00:25:23,030 --> 00:25:20,970 see and and we were given strict 493 00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:23,040 instructions and what we could film what 494 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:26,030 we could record and everything else and 495 00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:28,290 under this car picked us up at the hotel 496 00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:30,720 the following morning and and off we 497 00:25:39,770 --> 00:25:35,340 went and we we were already at 11,000 498 00:25:42,919 --> 00:25:39,780 feet and in Cuzco which is the the 499 00:25:44,669 --> 00:25:42,929 capital the former capital of the the 500 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:44,679 Incan civilization 501 00:25:51,869 --> 00:25:48,330 and a beautiful police but lo and behold 502 00:25:54,419 --> 00:25:51,879 11,000 feet wasn't enough and it started 503 00:25:56,489 --> 00:25:54,429 to climb up into the mountains and I got 504 00:25:59,340 --> 00:25:56,499 to say even Steve and I we could hear 505 00:25:59,879 --> 00:25:59,350 the engine of the car and struggling for 506 00:26:01,499 --> 00:25:59,889 air 507 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:01,509 never mind ourselves because we're 508 00:26:05,820 --> 00:26:03,730 certainly not used to thee to that type 509 00:26:08,999 --> 00:26:05,830 of altitude but we continued to climb up 510 00:26:12,989 --> 00:26:09,009 into the mountains anyway and finally 511 00:26:15,239 --> 00:26:12,999 finally and we we arrived at this this 512 00:26:20,879 --> 00:26:15,249 location that we we hadn't seen before 513 00:26:23,580 --> 00:26:20,889 and landed at this building and longer 514 00:26:28,830 --> 00:26:23,590 hold and we walked into this room with 515 00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:28,840 men dressed and surgical outfits and and 516 00:26:36,269 --> 00:26:31,769 we were presented with these bodies and 517 00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:36,279 I gotta say that that the first the 518 00:26:41,159 --> 00:26:38,049 first body that was presented to us as 519 00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:41,169 Steve Steve happened to say it before he 520 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:45,070 felt as if we were being tested because 521 00:26:52,259 --> 00:26:48,850 it was it was quite quite blatant that 522 00:26:54,869 --> 00:26:52,269 that was it was a forgery and but then 523 00:26:58,409 --> 00:26:54,879 this small this small body and must have 524 00:27:04,289 --> 00:26:58,419 been no more than then 20 inches long if 525 00:27:07,139 --> 00:27:04,299 that am very very stick leg and and had 526 00:27:10,590 --> 00:27:07,149 this what seemed to be a type of fish's 527 00:27:12,779 --> 00:27:10,600 head I Steve was already aware that this 528 00:27:14,970 --> 00:27:12,789 this this particular body had surfaced 529 00:27:19,230 --> 00:27:14,980 some time before pardon the pun with him 530 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:19,240 being a fish and but but he was very 531 00:27:23,789 --> 00:27:21,970 aware that this was a fake and we were 532 00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:23,799 presented with me with the x-rays and 533 00:27:29,489 --> 00:27:26,230 everything else I mean we took her time 534 00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:29,499 and and we recorded what what we could 535 00:27:37,019 --> 00:27:32,799 and an examined that for what it was 536 00:27:41,989 --> 00:27:37,029 worth but I gotta say then things 537 00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:41,999 started to change because then these 538 00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:51,389 underhands themselves that they're there 539 00:27:57,530 --> 00:27:55,809 around maybe and again 20 20 inches long 540 00:28:00,530 --> 00:27:57,540 but there were there 541 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:00,540 they were chopped off so you had that 542 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:02,730 you had really that the palm of the hand 543 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:05,490 with these three fingers extending from 544 00:28:10,490 --> 00:28:08,850 these mummified fingers and the hands 545 00:28:16,340 --> 00:28:10,500 themselves were covered in flesh they 546 00:28:20,270 --> 00:28:16,350 had they had six joints and six parts to 547 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:20,280 the fingers and whereas we only have we 548 00:28:27,890 --> 00:28:25,170 only have three for epic em and very 549 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:27,900 very strange very strange and within 550 00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,330 within some of the hands there was there 551 00:28:34,820 --> 00:28:32,880 was a there was these pieces of metal 552 00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:34,830 and one of the hands of fact had this 553 00:28:40,790 --> 00:28:38,820 huge big circular plate and which which 554 00:28:47,540 --> 00:28:40,800 looked like was made out of other other 555 00:28:49,370 --> 00:28:47,550 bronze or some type of gold and and it 556 00:28:50,620 --> 00:28:49,380 was attached to the upper side of the 557 00:28:53,060 --> 00:28:50,630 hand 558 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:53,070 now some samples have been taken from 559 00:29:01,040 --> 00:28:55,970 one of the hands and for analysis 560 00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:01,050 previous to to our seeing them and very 561 00:29:04,580 --> 00:29:03,000 very very strange again the x-rays were 562 00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:04,590 presented we were able to see them but 563 00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:07,200 they were covered both the body before 564 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:10,440 and these hands were covered on this 565 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:13,290 that's this type of white white covering 566 00:29:20,270 --> 00:29:16,290 and which was which was very unusual but 567 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:20,280 and it really started getting very 568 00:29:27,220 --> 00:29:23,370 interesting when they presented then the 569 00:29:30,980 --> 00:29:27,230 complete bodies of these smaller 570 00:29:35,180 --> 00:29:30,990 creatures and I gotta say creature 571 00:29:38,390 --> 00:29:35,190 because although what and and all as 572 00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:38,400 extremities and it was very human-like 573 00:29:45,650 --> 00:29:43,500 and the the the ends of the hands and 574 00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,660 the face they had three fingers and 575 00:29:51,020 --> 00:29:48,000 three toes but these these creatures 576 00:29:53,390 --> 00:29:51,030 were only around 25 inches long mmm and 577 00:29:58,510 --> 00:29:53,400 they had the head of what we would 578 00:30:02,540 --> 00:29:58,520 typically identify as being a type of 579 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:02,550 grey the face the face itself looked 580 00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:05,570 like what we were associate a grey and 581 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:08,310 and I must I must admit him coming from 582 00:30:12,730 --> 00:30:10,850 Ireland and having worked 583 00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:12,740 and the end of mythology and the 584 00:30:18,010 --> 00:30:14,990 folklore and everything else of not only 585 00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:18,020 our lumber around the world and you know 586 00:30:24,130 --> 00:30:20,840 I I find myself torn between the 587 00:30:25,660 --> 00:30:24,140 fascination of what we were filming and 588 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:25,670 what we were we were actually in the 589 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:28,970 presence of but I was also torn with 590 00:30:35,970 --> 00:30:32,210 with with this idea of of looking at 591 00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:35,980 this from my ancestral standpoint and to 592 00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:39,440 think hold on a second are these the 593 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:42,320 buggers that have terrorized my 594 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:44,810 ancestors right up to the present day 595 00:30:50,590 --> 00:30:48,410 and are these the creatures that are 596 00:30:54,130 --> 00:30:50,600 responsible for this and so there was a 597 00:30:57,250 --> 00:30:54,140 type of losing almost and that was 598 00:30:58,570 --> 00:30:57,260 developing within myself as I stood in 599 00:31:01,690 --> 00:30:58,580 awe looking at these particular 600 00:31:04,690 --> 00:31:01,700 creatures but Steve and I we got to 601 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:04,700 investigate them further and and look at 602 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:08,090 these at these x-rays that were being 603 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:09,770 presented to us and we were able to see 604 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:12,530 through the x-rays that that that there 605 00:31:17,290 --> 00:31:14,090 were some things which made us very 606 00:31:21,610 --> 00:31:17,300 curious such as no ball joints and 607 00:31:22,750 --> 00:31:21,620 things like that on their arms and and 608 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:22,760 there was there's that there seemed to 609 00:31:26,890 --> 00:31:24,530 be then one of them there was there was 610 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:26,900 a problem with its head and and there 611 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:29,810 was also a that type of metal that was 612 00:31:37,630 --> 00:31:32,930 attached to the hip and very very 613 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:37,640 unusual in that and tests 614 00:31:43,060 --> 00:31:40,370 I believe Steve there were no tests that 615 00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,070 were carried out on those creatures no 616 00:31:47,980 --> 00:31:45,440 no no there were no tests been carried 617 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:47,990 out on the smaller creatures we asked 618 00:31:52,090 --> 00:31:50,330 that question at the time especially 619 00:31:54,220 --> 00:31:52,100 when we were overlooking there with two 620 00:31:56,110 --> 00:31:54,230 complete bodies which were brought out 621 00:31:58,180 --> 00:31:56,120 at 25 inches in length 622 00:32:00,100 --> 00:31:58,190 and they believed that it was addressed 623 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:00,110 to us that one was a female and one was 624 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:03,410 a male I mean of course we look to each 625 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:05,210 other myself a Barry because because if 626 00:32:08,410 --> 00:32:06,410 we are dealing with something quite 627 00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:08,420 profound then you know who we to know 628 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:11,510 which is which is which and but what 629 00:32:15,490 --> 00:32:13,610 they did point out is and it did was 630 00:32:18,810 --> 00:32:15,500 clearly seen on the x-rays as well that 631 00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:18,820 the the one the roof hits was the male 632 00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:22,320 had seemed to have a a longer neck 633 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:25,380 yeah which they believed was could be 634 00:32:30,050 --> 00:32:27,930 adjusted he could adjust its next length 635 00:32:33,140 --> 00:32:30,060 bit like Steven Spielberg's et in a 636 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:33,150 sense of speaking the female which have 637 00:32:37,550 --> 00:32:35,010 a shorter neck seem to have some type of 638 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:37,560 metal the same as basically tight color 639 00:32:44,810 --> 00:32:41,690 metal play across the chest area and 640 00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:44,820 only where can describe what look like 641 00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:49,020 that she had a la an enlarged abdomen 642 00:32:55,870 --> 00:32:52,320 area an under x-ray look like there were 643 00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:55,880 three eggs think of that nature inside 644 00:33:01,400 --> 00:32:59,250 which I looked over at burying 645 00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:01,410 immediately thought well you know if 646 00:33:09,250 --> 00:33:04,740 these things are real then they do seem 647 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:09,260 to have um a bit of a reptilian nature 648 00:33:18,820 --> 00:33:14,610 or or like birds yep yep reptiles and 649 00:33:22,210 --> 00:33:18,830 birds yeah and plus a lot of reptiles 650 00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:22,220 birds as well have three toes 651 00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:24,840 exactly exactly I mean we lot to be 652 00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:26,700 looked very carefully we've totally 653 00:33:32,050 --> 00:33:29,430 examined the body's reaction over we 654 00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:32,060 took measurements resort sizes 655 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:34,620 references we went through the x-rays we 656 00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:36,930 documented everything and of course we 657 00:33:40,690 --> 00:33:38,340 big question the fact that they were 658 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:40,700 seem to be lacking some ball joints and 659 00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:45,210 enlarged certain bones across the across 660 00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:47,880 the chest and they just do some things 661 00:33:52,580 --> 00:33:49,620 that didn't seem to adore but then we 662 00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:52,590 were identifying what look like real 663 00:33:56,780 --> 00:33:54,510 bones the ala Terry didn't have any 664 00:33:59,930 --> 00:33:56,790 lungs don't know how these things could 665 00:34:01,610 --> 00:33:59,940 have even breathed let alone vet 666 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:01,620 themselves because it doesn't seem to 667 00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:06,930 have jaw bones and anatomically it was 668 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:09,929 it was a very profound and but they do 669 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:12,330 seem to be real bones and looks like 670 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:15,530 there is flesh there and and of course 671 00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:18,570 we presented a third one which was once 672 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:21,990 in a sitting position this time missing 673 00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:25,050 his head and what sample which was 674 00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:26,159 interesting because apparently some 675 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:27,659 samples had already previously been 676 00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:30,530 taken from the neck area and looking 677 00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:34,260 closely at that it did seem to show what 678 00:34:39,369 --> 00:34:35,750 looked like 679 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:39,379 muscles you know and of course the the 680 00:34:43,780 --> 00:34:42,290 connecting of the spine and of course if 681 00:34:45,399 --> 00:34:43,790 this is missing at school but it was in 682 00:34:47,230 --> 00:34:45,409 a sitting position which led us to you 683 00:34:49,180 --> 00:34:47,240 know we have a bit of an idea of 684 00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:49,190 certainly if the if these things were 685 00:34:53,409 --> 00:34:51,350 real then maybe how did they move 686 00:34:55,720 --> 00:34:53,419 because would it be very difficult I 687 00:34:57,550 --> 00:34:55,730 suppose without some ball joints you 688 00:34:59,380 --> 00:34:57,560 know maybe we would have water you know 689 00:35:02,170 --> 00:34:59,390 I can just imagine me I mean if and I 690 00:35:03,730 --> 00:35:02,180 know that these discoveries claims have 691 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:03,740 seen these things running away but I 692 00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,210 would have probably laughter pursue 693 00:35:09,850 --> 00:35:07,760 these things running away because she 694 00:35:11,770 --> 00:35:09,860 had very stiff joints it is certainly 695 00:35:13,930 --> 00:35:11,780 and I probably would have gig of a 696 00:35:16,060 --> 00:35:13,940 little bit but nevertheless though it 697 00:35:18,730 --> 00:35:16,070 was it was absolutely fascinating but 698 00:35:22,210 --> 00:35:18,740 that was when the the whole room seemed 699 00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:22,220 to change them because we were a very 700 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:25,910 large box was brought out and I think 701 00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:28,010 there was a plastic box very posit that 702 00:35:35,650 --> 00:35:33,200 was yeah your again your mind still 703 00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:35,660 reeling from from what you had just seen 704 00:35:41,170 --> 00:35:37,910 with these these smaller two bodies 705 00:35:44,010 --> 00:35:41,180 which I might also point out that that 706 00:35:47,140 --> 00:35:44,020 the bones themselves were knitted and 707 00:35:51,390 --> 00:35:47,150 which which means they are not child 708 00:35:53,590 --> 00:35:51,400 bones whatever these things were and 709 00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:53,600 there were there were there were fully 710 00:36:00,280 --> 00:35:57,920 grown and so that not left us that left 711 00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:00,290 is very very curious but then then 712 00:36:06,850 --> 00:36:03,920 everything changed because they brought 713 00:36:09,580 --> 00:36:06,860 out this this box and I continue to roll 714 00:36:12,220 --> 00:36:09,590 with the cameras and Steve was very much 715 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:12,230 and in front of the camera and I was 716 00:36:17,170 --> 00:36:14,330 very careful of it trying to capture 717 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:17,180 everything that there was and everything 718 00:36:24,190 --> 00:36:21,170 that we were allowed to capture and they 719 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:24,200 brought her this box and once the lid 720 00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:27,050 was taking off taken off everything 721 00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:30,710 changed because before it it was very 722 00:36:38,170 --> 00:36:36,320 much like like any any examination of a 723 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:38,180 particular body it was all everything 724 00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:40,370 was grand it was very very I supposed 725 00:36:45,370 --> 00:36:43,670 energetically it was flat and and but 726 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:45,380 the moment the lid was taken off this 727 00:36:52,750 --> 00:36:49,130 box something changed 728 00:36:58,300 --> 00:36:52,760 and it was very the the atmosphere in 729 00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,310 the room was was palatable mmm and and I 730 00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:00,800 looked at Steve and tried to indicate 731 00:37:08,050 --> 00:37:04,040 from behind the camera oh my god there's 732 00:37:10,510 --> 00:37:08,060 something different with this um and it 733 00:37:14,050 --> 00:37:10,520 was it was exceptionally moving and 734 00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:14,060 powerful the the what what seemed to be 735 00:37:18,970 --> 00:37:15,680 emanating from this particular body 736 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:18,980 which I can't explain I don't know what 737 00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:21,890 this was but there's something different 738 00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:25,580 about this particular one know whenever 739 00:37:32,980 --> 00:37:27,710 we say different this this particular 740 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:32,990 body was was was or in the size of maybe 741 00:37:36,670 --> 00:37:34,730 five I think was faithful just not right 742 00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:36,680 Steve I think about five five for 743 00:37:43,810 --> 00:37:39,950 everything yes yeah yeah a regular size 744 00:37:46,690 --> 00:37:43,820 four for a human being yeah but that had 745 00:37:50,620 --> 00:37:46,700 three large fingers on each hand and 746 00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:50,630 three toes three large toes and on the 747 00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:54,230 feet no it got really really interesting 748 00:38:00,970 --> 00:37:57,680 because on the feet we were able to see 749 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:00,980 even the dermal ridges on the toes and 750 00:38:08,860 --> 00:38:04,090 this is a very very hard thing to figure 751 00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:08,870 and we were very we spent a lot of time 752 00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:10,310 with this body which became known as 753 00:38:18,910 --> 00:38:13,760 Maria and we spent a very very long time 754 00:38:22,030 --> 00:38:18,920 with her exploring and taking us as many 755 00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:22,040 detailed shots as we possibly could but 756 00:38:29,770 --> 00:38:26,480 I couldn't shift this sense of this 757 00:38:32,410 --> 00:38:29,780 whatever it was at the time we didn't 758 00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:32,420 know is this real or is this fit we 759 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:36,560 actually didn't know um and you know I'm 760 00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:39,290 looking upon this thinking myself what 761 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:41,870 what is going on with his body you know 762 00:38:48,910 --> 00:38:45,850 if the the the main trunk of the body is 763 00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:48,920 definitely real I can't at the time I 764 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:51,200 couldn't I couldn't pass judgment on the 765 00:38:55,660 --> 00:38:53,810 fingers of the tools and whether they 766 00:38:57,940 --> 00:38:55,670 were real or not but there was something 767 00:39:01,690 --> 00:38:57,950 special about the main trunk of the body 768 00:39:02,220 --> 00:39:01,700 of whoever this person was there must 769 00:39:06,690 --> 00:39:02,230 have been 770 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:06,700 almost revered em and and I can tell I 771 00:39:11,550 --> 00:39:09,130 can tell you this quite categorically I 772 00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:11,560 can tell you that if that person was 773 00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:15,310 alive today I could not have stood in a 774 00:39:19,020 --> 00:39:17,590 room with this person because they would 775 00:39:23,810 --> 00:39:19,030 have brought me to my knees 776 00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:23,820 that was exceptionally powerful and 777 00:39:29,849 --> 00:39:27,280 something that that if I will never ever 778 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:29,859 forget no I don't think we anything I 779 00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:31,930 will forget neither Tim Keenan well if 780 00:39:36,330 --> 00:39:33,910 you can just imagine the seeing as this 781 00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:36,340 plastic box lid is taken off and Marie 782 00:39:41,970 --> 00:39:39,609 is taken out very carefully and placed 783 00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:41,980 on an examination table I looked across 784 00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:44,140 at Barry and I saw the tears running 785 00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,390 down his eyes and the blood-red face and 786 00:39:51,420 --> 00:39:48,880 now I know I thought you know we were 787 00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,430 deep it was difficult as dealing with 788 00:39:55,740 --> 00:39:53,440 the altitude because we were suffering 789 00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,750 also from altitude sickness you know 790 00:39:59,460 --> 00:39:58,000 early morning poverty and nausea and 791 00:40:00,960 --> 00:39:59,470 headaches and popping and parenting 792 00:40:03,330 --> 00:40:00,970 because we were you know we're usually 793 00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,340 out to do and a lot Soviet Barry and he 794 00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:06,160 just they suddenly went oh my god and 795 00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:08,680 I'm looking over him thinking oh my god 796 00:40:17,970 --> 00:40:15,790 I'm gonna lose me cameraman here and of 797 00:40:20,370 --> 00:40:17,980 course we were totally transfixed on on 798 00:40:22,590 --> 00:40:20,380 the rear and of course as Barry said we 799 00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:22,600 are definitely most definitely dealing 800 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:26,280 with a body here is absolutely you know 801 00:40:31,260 --> 00:40:29,290 it's very easily to identify that and 802 00:40:34,020 --> 00:40:31,270 ask for the fingers and toes you know 803 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:34,030 very very strange she was missing she 804 00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,090 has a slightly elongated had and which 805 00:40:42,270 --> 00:40:39,040 could be a process of boarding you know 806 00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:42,280 it's not sure it's not as the same as 807 00:40:49,260 --> 00:40:45,220 the hugely elongated skulls I've been 808 00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:49,270 discovered in throughout Cosco Nazca and 809 00:40:54,270 --> 00:40:52,720 our situated in museums it wouldn't seem 810 00:40:56,580 --> 00:40:54,280 that she had would have been increased 811 00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:56,590 brain mass maybe does it maybe could 812 00:41:00,540 --> 00:40:58,330 have been a process of boarding but we 813 00:41:04,770 --> 00:41:00,550 did notice that I socket seemed larger 814 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:04,780 than average a very small nose and small 815 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:10,090 mouth with no ears which again you know 816 00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:13,210 it seems to fall in line with some 817 00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:15,430 amphibians and seals 818 00:41:19,230 --> 00:41:17,380 and of course I did pose that question 819 00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:19,240 because we did we were started to think 820 00:41:25,859 --> 00:41:22,240 is this if this Israel is its this some 821 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:25,869 type of amphibian of some sort yeah I 822 00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:27,490 mean even Bobby would suggest you know 823 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:29,260 could could they have been any weapon 824 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:32,770 between the toes or fingers and that's 825 00:41:38,609 --> 00:41:36,130 lost you know as as skin disappears over 826 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:38,619 long periods of time it was just 827 00:41:42,839 --> 00:41:40,930 completely very strange and but there 828 00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:42,849 was a couple of other things anomalies 829 00:41:49,890 --> 00:41:46,420 there was a larger gap between the two 830 00:41:53,370 --> 00:41:49,900 bones in the arms hmm which was clearly 831 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:53,380 identical as we was it looked to be a 832 00:41:58,349 --> 00:41:56,170 female or due to the rib count it's only 833 00:42:02,039 --> 00:41:58,359 some you know only surmising that 834 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:02,049 obviously and but obviously something 835 00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:04,690 was very special about her and of course 836 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:06,940 she again she was coming all this all 837 00:42:13,950 --> 00:42:11,770 this white now if he is if if from what 838 00:42:16,620 --> 00:42:13,960 we're being told that from this from 839 00:42:18,839 --> 00:42:16,630 some of the previous tests that this 840 00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:18,849 white powder which is in which was 841 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:21,369 initially thought to be plaster by many 842 00:42:26,549 --> 00:42:25,210 people who had seen the photos and video 843 00:42:28,049 --> 00:42:26,559 footage over the inset he was 844 00:42:29,849 --> 00:42:28,059 immediately jumped on by saying oh she's 845 00:42:32,670 --> 00:42:29,859 covered in plaster Paris and things like 846 00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:32,680 that and however shawnee analysis come 847 00:42:39,180 --> 00:42:34,980 back and it's not just once but twice 848 00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:39,190 referred to the the white as being dye a 849 00:42:44,490 --> 00:42:42,670 Tamiya diatomaceous earth hmm which is 850 00:42:48,140 --> 00:42:44,500 for those listeners are not too sure 851 00:42:52,890 --> 00:42:48,150 what that is and it's kind of fossilized 852 00:42:55,859 --> 00:42:52,900 macro shells his big minerals but 853 00:42:57,390 --> 00:42:55,869 they're very very fine and of course 854 00:43:00,299 --> 00:42:57,400 that is produced from the from the 855 00:43:03,569 --> 00:43:00,309 seabed and but we as many will know 856 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:03,579 geologically that the the Nazca 857 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:06,250 Mountains range was probably to seabed 858 00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:07,690 at once have been pushed up through 859 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:09,849 tectonic plate shifts in lung movement 860 00:43:14,660 --> 00:43:12,490 over millions of years and these areas 861 00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:14,670 of diatomaceous earth 862 00:43:21,870 --> 00:43:19,359 pops up in locations and and apparently 863 00:43:24,569 --> 00:43:21,880 have unique properties and some of those 864 00:43:26,370 --> 00:43:24,579 properties are our preservative they do 865 00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:26,380 preserve 866 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:30,030 body's extremely well the locking 867 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:33,210 bacteria so that bacteria cannot 868 00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:36,130 contrive on the on the body plus it also 869 00:43:40,530 --> 00:43:38,230 is a repellent to insects those type of 870 00:43:43,110 --> 00:43:40,540 insects that might feed on on certain 871 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:43,120 things like that and it would be it 872 00:43:48,090 --> 00:43:45,130 would active it as a wonderful 873 00:43:51,540 --> 00:43:48,100 preservative however it would seem from 874 00:43:53,460 --> 00:43:51,550 our examination that this isn't just 875 00:43:55,710 --> 00:43:53,470 simply as a body who's just been 876 00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:55,720 directing some day a tonight or be even 877 00:44:00,450 --> 00:43:58,210 buried in it it will look to piece it 878 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:00,460 looks to be purposely applied throughout 879 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:02,050 the whole body in other words it had 880 00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:04,930 been purposely put on the body as to the 881 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:07,990 reasons why I can only I can only think 882 00:44:12,420 --> 00:44:10,290 is to act as a preservative of some sort 883 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:12,430 however we've also got to take into 884 00:44:18,450 --> 00:44:15,850 consideration that the white powder 885 00:44:20,430 --> 00:44:18,460 covering of this deer tomato says is 886 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:20,440 also something that could hide a 887 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:23,650 multitude of sins you know so we we have 888 00:44:27,390 --> 00:44:25,570 to sort of we would like we said right 889 00:44:30,510 --> 00:44:27,400 in the beginning we shouldn't call it as 890 00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:30,520 it is and that and keep that middle 891 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:32,110 ground really because we just want to 892 00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:35,170 make sure what we are looking at is it 893 00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:37,980 authentic or not and it would seem that 894 00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,270 these did this has been purposely 895 00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:42,880 applied to the body as to how and when 896 00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:44,830 that stuff's a different story you know 897 00:44:50,850 --> 00:44:47,640 about reveal something through analysis 898 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:50,860 and of course we've conducted everything 899 00:44:55,890 --> 00:44:53,050 you know that's and all the x-rays that 900 00:44:57,450 --> 00:44:55,900 came out and scans and and you can 901 00:45:01,800 --> 00:44:57,460 clearly see on the x-rays that she's 902 00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:01,810 definitely body absolutely not 903 00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:04,240 manufactured body but what was very 904 00:45:09,690 --> 00:45:06,760 interesting was the and the loads of the 905 00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,700 toes which had extra cartridges in their 906 00:45:13,830 --> 00:45:11,680 feet and the total giving its length how 907 00:45:16,140 --> 00:45:13,840 it would have what is very questionable 908 00:45:18,780 --> 00:45:16,150 because as far as I was far as we are 909 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:18,790 concerned they wouldn't have been made 910 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:20,890 great walkers you know but it would have 911 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:22,330 been very steady on the feet and without 912 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:26,050 the stabilizing of chose the widening 913 00:45:30,420 --> 00:45:28,810 got the thought and it will be very 914 00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,430 difficult probably from observed warts 915 00:45:35,610 --> 00:45:32,800 and got a looks of it gave no thumbs 916 00:45:38,730 --> 00:45:35,620 and no thumbs no free long fingers no 917 00:45:40,859 --> 00:45:38,740 thumbs and again this would represent 918 00:45:43,540 --> 00:45:40,869 maybe something that 919 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:43,550 swimming in water or climbing trees is 920 00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,010 this well we tend to see in nature you 921 00:45:52,330 --> 00:45:47,920 know we don't tend to see many ground 922 00:45:55,450 --> 00:45:52,340 dwelling animals without thumbs of some 923 00:45:58,240 --> 00:45:55,460 sort and the demo ridging was very 924 00:46:00,820 --> 00:45:58,250 unusual because as we know from dermal 925 00:46:02,620 --> 00:46:00,830 ridges that there it consists of swirls 926 00:46:03,940 --> 00:46:02,630 and patterns or just like our fingers 927 00:46:06,580 --> 00:46:03,950 and our toes 928 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:06,590 however the know that she does have 929 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:09,650 dermal ridges on her toes which are very 930 00:46:13,210 --> 00:46:11,330 clearly visible 931 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:13,220 they consist a straight more like 932 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:15,170 straight lines which is very unusual bit 933 00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:18,650 like again like a reptile which seemed 934 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:21,920 to have their straight straight lines 935 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:25,250 across the ridging but all in all she 936 00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:29,330 was she was absolutely profound what I 937 00:46:34,990 --> 00:46:32,960 mean may the dermal of the dermal regime 938 00:46:36,099 --> 00:46:35,000 and some of there are some theories out 939 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:36,109 there because we actually don't really 940 00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,770 know what the dermal regimes for and and 941 00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:41,119 there are some theories some schools of 942 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:42,800 thought out there that that the dermal 943 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:46,690 ridges used for rat for for grip and 944 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:50,770 especially if the skin gets wet 945 00:46:56,740 --> 00:46:53,690 alright gentlemen well we have to go to 946 00:47:00,040 --> 00:46:56,750 our top of the hour break here compact 947 00:47:03,010 --> 00:47:00,050 that's a strong conversation about the 948 00:47:05,380 --> 00:47:03,020 mysterious parties of pasta so we're 949 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:05,390 listening exploring bizarre and Kim 950 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:22,140 explore the bazaars are your e-ticket 951 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:24,810 ride into the world of the paranormal 952 00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:28,090 strap yourself in as we traverse the 953 00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,400 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 954 00:47:37,890 --> 00:47:35,520 ghosts Lost Worlds 955 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:37,900 cryptozoology as well as other 956 00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:41,770 dimensions it's time to take back the 957 00:47:49,410 --> 00:47:46,150 night last night now your electrifying 958 00:47:57,210 --> 00:47:49,420 hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy 959 00:47:58,980 --> 00:47:57,220 Begley and team sports welcome back to 960 00:48:01,080 --> 00:47:58,990 the second power of exploring the 961 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:01,090 bizarre I'm Tim Schwartz unfortunately 962 00:48:06,740 --> 00:48:03,250 Tim Beckley could not be with us tonight 963 00:48:09,930 --> 00:48:06,750 and we do miss him but we will try to 964 00:48:12,990 --> 00:48:09,940 carry on without him for the rest of 965 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:13,000 this show with me is Barry Fitzgerald 966 00:48:19,460 --> 00:48:14,650 and Steve Mehra 967 00:48:22,170 --> 00:48:19,470 and we have been talking about the Nazca 968 00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:22,180 mummies but they're they're more like 969 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:25,110 bodies as they as they pointed out and 970 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:30,490 in the first part of this show Steve and 971 00:48:37,590 --> 00:48:34,330 Barry were talking about they're really 972 00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:37,600 fortunate opportunity to to closely 973 00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:42,660 examine these bodies several small 974 00:48:50,190 --> 00:48:47,520 versions and now they got to examine 975 00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:50,200 what was it named Maria is that what 976 00:48:59,250 --> 00:48:54,160 they call Maria who and this body was 977 00:49:00,600 --> 00:48:59,260 larger I mean then I I realized that she 978 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:00,610 possibly could be just a little bit 979 00:49:06,330 --> 00:49:03,370 shorter just you know due to the you 980 00:49:10,110 --> 00:49:06,340 know drying out a process but she's 981 00:49:12,810 --> 00:49:10,120 definitely much taller than that then 982 00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:12,820 the smaller versions now you mentioned 983 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:18,310 that Maria had dermal ridges did you see 984 00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:21,210 these on her toes or fingers or both oh 985 00:49:26,550 --> 00:49:24,880 yeah yeah they well did we do his nails 986 00:49:30,030 --> 00:49:26,560 on the finger it's not something that's 987 00:49:31,150 --> 00:49:30,040 unusual and of course we saw the demo 988 00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:31,160 ridging on the 989 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:34,400 because we didn't want to yes be very 990 00:49:37,180 --> 00:49:35,810 careful in dealing with such things we 991 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:37,190 didn't want to told you just come off in 992 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:39,290 your hand you know sure sure 993 00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,890 well did did the smaller ones did did 994 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:44,480 they have normal ridges I mean could you 995 00:49:48,610 --> 00:49:46,370 see that or were they just to dis cated 996 00:49:50,110 --> 00:49:48,620 we didn't see any form of dermal ridges 997 00:49:51,610 --> 00:49:50,120 on anything that unwrapped 998 00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:51,620 there was nothing about the small ones 999 00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,270 that represented anything that looked 1000 00:49:57,970 --> 00:49:55,760 like a body body as we know it as we'd 1001 00:49:59,260 --> 00:49:57,980 recognize the body until Maria was 1002 00:50:02,380 --> 00:49:59,270 actually put in front of us we 1003 00:50:06,010 --> 00:50:02,390 immediately recognize me for being in an 1004 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:06,020 actual body plus for being humid or not 1005 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:08,690 that's all going to DePaul down to the 1006 00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:11,090 DNA you know and the results at the end 1007 00:50:16,090 --> 00:50:13,730 of the day but we were very surprised 1008 00:50:18,250 --> 00:50:16,100 that they allowed us to to film as as 1009 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:18,260 much as we could just as Barry said 1010 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:20,930 earlier about the whole day about being 1011 00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:22,370 picked taught I mean when we got that 1012 00:50:24,820 --> 00:50:23,510 phone call in the early hours and 1013 00:50:27,130 --> 00:50:24,830 morning and said look you know what's 1014 00:50:29,620 --> 00:50:27,140 always going to pick us up from the 1015 00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:29,630 hotel we can't film this person we're 1016 00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:31,310 not allowed to identify the vehicle 1017 00:50:35,590 --> 00:50:34,250 we cannot film the location it was like 1018 00:50:37,090 --> 00:50:35,600 well what schools you know what's the 1019 00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,100 point up going what can we film you know 1020 00:50:41,350 --> 00:50:39,200 I mean we're very limited and little 1021 00:50:43,380 --> 00:50:41,360 bits that we could film and even when we 1022 00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:43,390 managed to get some bit still in the car 1023 00:50:47,410 --> 00:50:46,190 as we climbed out of Costco and headed 1024 00:50:48,550 --> 00:50:47,420 towards the mountains because we had no 1025 00:50:50,380 --> 00:50:48,560 idea where we were going 1026 00:50:51,970 --> 00:50:50,390 of course being instructed to leave our 1027 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:51,980 cell phones behind as well I mean this 1028 00:50:55,780 --> 00:50:53,930 you can well imagine that getting a call 1029 00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:55,790 at 250 minutes past 2:00 in the morning 1030 00:51:01,120 --> 00:50:58,720 waking up going through this and I'm I 1031 00:51:06,070 --> 00:51:01,130 run it could be the way I am I just said 1032 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:06,080 yes we'll do it and of course after the 1033 00:51:10,930 --> 00:51:09,170 phone call what we've just done and oh 1034 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:10,940 my god you know we can't take our cell 1035 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:14,090 phones and it was like hello 1036 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:16,610 where we had in what's gonna happen we 1037 00:51:20,170 --> 00:51:18,650 didn't we didn't contact our partners 1038 00:51:21,460 --> 00:51:20,180 back home and tell them this you can 1039 00:51:23,860 --> 00:51:21,470 well imagine because they just would 1040 00:51:25,540 --> 00:51:23,870 have said don't do this but we'd 1041 00:51:28,570 --> 00:51:25,550 traveled halfway around the world it was 1042 00:51:30,490 --> 00:51:28,580 no and you know we have a such an 1043 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:30,500 appetite to find out the truth about 1044 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:32,930 such things we thought well do you know 1045 00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:34,370 we're just gonna have to go with the 1046 00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,710 flow and of course traveling up into 1047 00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:38,240 those mountains getting Stiller and 1048 00:51:41,980 --> 00:51:40,310 spinning in the air to the point where I 1049 00:51:44,290 --> 00:51:41,990 mean oh I thought we were 1050 00:51:46,570 --> 00:51:44,300 how come they're not actually put 1051 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:46,580 something over our heads or blindfolded 1052 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:48,050 us because I thought that was the next 1053 00:51:50,740 --> 00:51:49,010 thing gonna become him 1054 00:51:53,290 --> 00:51:50,750 I know that's just let see how that's 1055 00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:53,300 just what I was thinking yes and I 1056 00:51:56,859 --> 00:51:55,310 realized I realized why they didn't 1057 00:51:57,609 --> 00:51:56,869 because as soon as you get out into the 1058 00:52:00,550 --> 00:51:57,619 mountains 1059 00:52:03,940 --> 00:52:00,560 Douce nothing but just dirt past is no 1060 00:52:06,310 --> 00:52:03,950 names on roads the disaster dusty dirt 1061 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:06,320 paths and the twist and turn and 1062 00:52:10,990 --> 00:52:08,170 separate and take a left run right and 1063 00:52:13,090 --> 00:52:11,000 we had no idea where we were it was 1064 00:52:15,940 --> 00:52:13,100 literally all the mountains and condors 1065 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:15,950 that was it and and now of course the 1066 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:18,770 drivers just be designed to cut your 1067 00:52:22,060 --> 00:52:20,810 recordings and of course okay we're 1068 00:52:24,190 --> 00:52:22,070 gonna have to turn the cameras off now 1069 00:52:27,070 --> 00:52:24,200 when it was literally you know on many 1070 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:27,080 occasions we respect all up to locations 1071 00:52:31,570 --> 00:52:29,450 where you see several people staring at 1072 00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:31,580 you and Wow dog scrap in each other 1073 00:52:36,010 --> 00:52:33,680 outside from these buildings you think 1074 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:36,020 oh my god what got yourself into and 1075 00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:38,930 bought it or as it all folded into this 1076 00:52:42,580 --> 00:52:41,119 scruffy building just suddenly transform 1077 00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:42,590 this huge he walks into this door where 1078 00:52:48,430 --> 00:52:46,880 was a perfectly cleaned bright look like 1079 00:52:50,170 --> 00:52:48,440 an operation room you know an 1080 00:52:52,420 --> 00:52:50,180 examination room it was just really 1081 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:52,430 weird and of course we had that 1082 00:52:55,450 --> 00:52:53,450 opportunity to look through all the 1083 00:52:56,530 --> 00:52:55,460 bodies and get a get and video as much 1084 00:52:58,450 --> 00:52:56,540 as we possibly can 1085 00:53:00,430 --> 00:52:58,460 we walked away scratching our heads to 1086 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:00,440 be honest with you you know we were 1087 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:02,930 still scratching our heads only just no 1088 00:53:07,930 --> 00:53:05,330 idea we we were just what the hell have 1089 00:53:09,790 --> 00:53:07,940 we just seen and what you know when what 1090 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:09,800 what what are we dealing with you know 1091 00:53:13,300 --> 00:53:11,810 it was bad enough that fact that you 1092 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:13,310 know we're having to look over our 1093 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:15,170 shoulder and we were and that is the 1094 00:53:21,630 --> 00:53:18,050 truth that we were paranoid because even 1095 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:21,640 in the trip even on the trip to Peru 1096 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:25,490 when we reached we left we left him you 1097 00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,730 cated and traveled to Madrid and then on 1098 00:53:35,740 --> 00:53:31,280 to Lima the capital of Peru and then up 1099 00:53:38,530 --> 00:53:35,750 to Cusco but when we have to Lima and we 1100 00:53:40,660 --> 00:53:38,540 were met by somebody who who basically 1101 00:53:42,310 --> 00:53:40,670 said because we were in conversation 1102 00:53:45,099 --> 00:53:42,320 with self from Barry and we can yeah we 1103 00:53:47,070 --> 00:53:45,109 were just talking openly about what what 1104 00:53:49,660 --> 00:53:47,080 all this stuff is about these bodies 1105 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:49,670 immediately some somebody came over and 1106 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:51,290 said you shouldn't be talking about that 1107 00:53:54,370 --> 00:53:52,970 you know you gotta be careful about what 1108 00:53:55,660 --> 00:53:54,380 you're talking because these there are 1109 00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:55,670 people looking 1110 00:53:59,440 --> 00:53:57,650 for those that might know information 1111 00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:59,450 about this apparently the Caribbean 1112 00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:01,760 government was seriously on this case to 1113 00:54:05,980 --> 00:54:03,710 the point where police had already done 1114 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:05,990 several Raiders that raids of buildings 1115 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:08,570 trying to find these these bodies and 1116 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:11,570 also trying to find those that you know 1117 00:54:14,740 --> 00:54:13,010 we're involved with it because we're 1118 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:14,750 looking at 10 years stretch to begin 1119 00:54:19,870 --> 00:54:17,690 with and and of course they were there a 1120 00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:19,880 mud on this because they've been so much 1121 00:54:27,010 --> 00:54:23,710 hype about this and and of course with 1122 00:54:28,450 --> 00:54:27,020 Mexican journalist Jaime miss um there's 1123 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:28,460 been a huge amount of controversy 1124 00:54:35,350 --> 00:54:32,450 surrounding this that the the Peruvian 1125 00:54:37,420 --> 00:54:35,360 government actually you know I'd really 1126 00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:37,430 gone to town they've really trying their 1127 00:54:43,570 --> 00:54:40,310 best to find these bodies and find the 1128 00:54:45,130 --> 00:54:43,580 people the perpetrators of this raiding 1129 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:45,140 of the tombs or whenever and where 1130 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:48,050 they've got the boobies bodies from so 1131 00:54:53,260 --> 00:54:50,930 yeah we were looking over our shoulders 1132 00:54:55,390 --> 00:54:53,270 there were people around that seemed to 1133 00:54:58,350 --> 00:54:55,400 I don't know if it was just paranoia or 1134 00:55:01,150 --> 00:54:58,360 not but they seemed to be hanging around 1135 00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:01,160 and just just trying to over listen 1136 00:55:05,410 --> 00:55:03,440 conversations and it was it was just it 1137 00:55:06,790 --> 00:55:05,420 was just not a good environment we 1138 00:55:10,690 --> 00:55:06,800 hadn't been faced with that sort of 1139 00:55:14,860 --> 00:55:10,700 thing before um and and as as the 1140 00:55:17,170 --> 00:55:14,870 investigation process continued it we 1141 00:55:20,890 --> 00:55:17,180 were suddenly cast into this murky world 1142 00:55:24,550 --> 00:55:20,900 of the black market oh my god sharks and 1143 00:55:26,590 --> 00:55:24,560 people who want money and and this black 1144 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:26,600 market I thought no reason you know 1145 00:55:32,020 --> 00:55:29,330 obviously the Peruvian government all 1146 00:55:33,790 --> 00:55:32,030 over this is simply because of the of 1147 00:55:35,710 --> 00:55:33,800 the magnitude how far this actually goes 1148 00:55:37,780 --> 00:55:35,720 with this rabbit hole goes very very 1149 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:37,790 deep and of course we didn't know that 1150 00:55:43,060 --> 00:55:40,970 when we got involved in this but we 1151 00:55:44,770 --> 00:55:43,070 couldn't we were stayed in this division 1152 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:44,780 we just couldn't get out of it yeah you 1153 00:55:49,540 --> 00:55:47,330 know and before he knew it we were we 1154 00:55:51,940 --> 00:55:49,550 were sat face-to-face with there with 1155 00:55:54,250 --> 00:55:51,950 with with a lady work for the government 1156 00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:54,260 it was commissioned to look into the 1157 00:55:59,140 --> 00:55:57,410 black market and and they've got a huge 1158 00:56:01,000 --> 00:55:59,150 problem the Peruvian government trying 1159 00:56:02,550 --> 00:56:01,010 to deal with these issues artifacts that 1160 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:02,560 are being sold on the black market 1161 00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:06,290 illegally now we were told Maria had a 1162 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:09,200 price tag of a million dollars 1163 00:56:12,910 --> 00:56:11,090 this is by the discoveries that wanted 1164 00:56:16,090 --> 00:56:12,920 this amount of money for its a seller 1165 00:56:19,590 --> 00:56:16,100 the smaller bodies at 25 inches were had 1166 00:56:22,510 --> 00:56:19,600 a price tag of around about $100,000 and 1167 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:22,520 and in fact some artifacts had already 1168 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:25,970 been sold on the black market as little 1169 00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:28,370 as eight thousand dollars to collectors 1170 00:56:34,450 --> 00:56:31,670 in Asia so and it an apparently do 1171 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:34,460 interest from Russia and all over these 1172 00:56:38,350 --> 00:56:36,650 different countries I thought oh my god 1173 00:56:39,820 --> 00:56:38,360 there really is a black market and of 1174 00:56:42,460 --> 00:56:39,830 course you know I don't know how that 1175 00:56:43,810 --> 00:56:42,470 works I don't know who the contacts he 1176 00:56:45,250 --> 00:56:43,820 sells very espionage and 1177 00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:45,260 cloak-and-dagger to me both sir 1178 00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:47,150 nevertheless though this is what's going 1179 00:56:50,740 --> 00:56:49,520 on and it's a massive problem for 1180 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:50,750 Peruvian gone which they obviously 1181 00:56:54,790 --> 00:56:53,210 cannot handle there's just so much of 1182 00:56:57,310 --> 00:56:54,800 this they're so worried about losing 1183 00:56:59,080 --> 00:56:57,320 their artifacts it's such a shame but at 1184 00:57:00,940 --> 00:56:59,090 the end of the day there's a huge huge 1185 00:57:03,850 --> 00:57:00,950 amounts of money are involved and of 1186 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:03,860 course these these discovers you can't 1187 00:57:08,050 --> 00:57:05,450 trust these discovers I mean you know 1188 00:57:10,030 --> 00:57:08,060 like like Barry said you know it you 1189 00:57:12,430 --> 00:57:10,040 know if we started pressing there were 1190 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:12,440 threats of you know you could be shot 1191 00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:14,690 and basically important to the desert 1192 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:16,190 and nobody'd ever find you and I 1193 00:57:18,970 --> 00:57:17,570 couldn't believe that I can absolutely 1194 00:57:21,940 --> 00:57:18,980 believe that by being up there in those 1195 00:57:23,710 --> 00:57:21,950 mountains that you feel you feel like 1196 00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:23,720 you're treading ground where no man's 1197 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:25,790 ever tread before you know because you 1198 00:57:29,710 --> 00:57:28,010 just know civilization that's all you 1199 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:29,720 could simply just disappear off this 1200 00:57:33,970 --> 00:57:31,490 planet and and of course we had to take 1201 00:57:35,650 --> 00:57:33,980 into consideration the wars that we had 1202 00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:35,660 when conducting this type of 1203 00:57:41,110 --> 00:57:37,310 investigation so we have to tread very 1204 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:41,120 very carefully but Sir it did become 1205 00:57:47,260 --> 00:57:44,570 more prominent about the the problems 1206 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:47,270 that the Peruvian government were giving 1207 00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:49,730 me album pressure in regarding these 1208 00:57:57,250 --> 00:57:52,310 discoveries when we reach Lima in the 1209 00:58:00,580 --> 00:57:57,260 capital city in Peru I'm I'm surprised 1210 00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:00,590 that after you were taken up into that 1211 00:58:03,790 --> 00:58:02,330 mountaintop location when you mate when 1212 00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:03,800 you came back that the authorities 1213 00:58:07,090 --> 00:58:04,880 didn't just you know 1214 00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:07,100 haul you in and say okay where were you 1215 00:58:11,140 --> 00:58:09,440 what happened we were at sea we were 1216 00:58:12,670 --> 00:58:11,150 thinking that might happen because we 1217 00:58:14,740 --> 00:58:12,680 thought when maybe we're being watched 1218 00:58:16,750 --> 00:58:14,750 and it sighs the case then we're gonna 1219 00:58:18,370 --> 00:58:16,760 be we're gonna be drunk then you know 1220 00:58:20,350 --> 00:58:18,380 we're gonna get them in trouble with 1221 00:58:22,089 --> 00:58:20,360 this because you know no you know we're 1222 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:22,099 not even supposed to have 1223 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:23,690 know where these things are let alone 1224 00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:26,930 handled them you know so and of course 1225 00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:30,049 well we were wish we have two men we 1226 00:58:34,089 --> 00:58:32,089 look alike that we were rolling when we 1227 00:58:36,279 --> 00:58:34,099 came back we were there just for that 1228 00:58:39,069 --> 00:58:36,289 night and then we got outta Dodge we 1229 00:58:41,370 --> 00:58:39,079 went we flew straight out into Lima 1230 00:58:43,930 --> 00:58:41,380 because there was a press announcement 1231 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:43,940 the first international press 1232 00:58:48,849 --> 00:58:47,210 announcement that taken place now there 1233 00:58:50,259 --> 00:58:48,859 has been a lot of controversy about how 1234 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:50,269 into some being involved in this 1235 00:58:55,239 --> 00:58:51,890 particular case now I just want to make 1236 00:58:58,059 --> 00:58:55,249 this clear because there's been lots of 1237 00:58:59,890 --> 00:58:58,069 other allocations about sir Jaime's had 1238 00:59:02,979 --> 00:58:59,900 these things made and all sorts of 1239 00:59:05,799 --> 00:59:02,989 things and the situation is is that when 1240 00:59:07,539 --> 00:59:05,809 these were discovered and brought to the 1241 00:59:11,650 --> 00:59:07,549 in Kerry Institute we're aware of that 1242 00:59:14,289 --> 00:59:11,660 action taking place and Gaia it picked 1243 00:59:16,569 --> 00:59:14,299 up some of the information because the 1244 00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,579 in Kerry Institute we're putting email 1245 00:59:21,130 --> 00:59:18,559 information about some of the work that 1246 00:59:22,989 --> 00:59:21,140 they've discovered the results some of 1247 00:59:25,749 --> 00:59:22,999 the results from the first lot of 1248 00:59:29,709 --> 00:59:25,759 analysis a guy hits upon that 1249 00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:29,719 information and guy was very interested 1250 00:59:34,170 --> 00:59:31,729 in you know you can be able to film this 1251 00:59:36,999 --> 00:59:34,180 and finding out more about Maria I 1252 00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:37,009 thought to do so they didn't have those 1253 00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:38,450 connections doing obviously some 1254 00:59:42,430 --> 00:59:40,670 language barriers which were in we've 1255 00:59:45,849 --> 00:59:42,440 struggled with language barriers whilst 1256 00:59:47,499 --> 00:59:45,859 we were there and of course that was 1257 00:59:49,690 --> 00:59:47,509 probably a concern for guys so they 1258 00:59:54,430 --> 00:59:49,700 employed the services of of hammy Mossad 1259 00:59:59,709 --> 00:59:54,440 a Jaime ma son with Gaia to being Kari 1260 01:00:02,229 --> 00:59:59,719 Institute and we had the capabilities 1261 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:02,239 would be able to examine Maria but not 1262 01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:03,890 in the same place where we were so I 1263 01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:05,599 don't know exactly where they were at 1264 01:00:09,489 --> 01:00:07,729 that time I don't recognize where they 1265 01:00:10,900 --> 01:00:09,499 were in the video maybe it was a 1266 01:00:13,539 --> 01:00:10,910 different locations that these 1267 01:00:15,729 --> 01:00:13,549 discoveries went I had the body for them 1268 01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:15,739 to look at well how he went and he 1269 01:00:21,249 --> 01:00:19,249 looked and he's basically though we time 1270 01:00:23,950 --> 01:00:21,259 ease you know it would obviously be 1271 01:00:25,690 --> 01:00:23,960 leaned towards maybe the ETI offices 1272 01:00:27,459 --> 01:00:25,700 because the real deserves that 1273 01:00:32,019 --> 01:00:27,469 possibility of course may be slim 1274 01:00:34,059 --> 01:00:32,029 nevertheless and he would seem that you 1275 01:00:35,740 --> 01:00:34,069 know he's basically being called in to 1276 01:00:39,210 --> 01:00:35,750 just look over the body and give his 1277 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:39,220 his opinion and of course by doing so 1278 01:00:46,990 --> 01:00:43,610 Jaime has a number of doctors that have 1279 01:00:50,410 --> 01:00:47,000 done work with him before some of these 1280 01:00:52,810 --> 01:00:50,420 are known to us and they have looked 1281 01:00:55,330 --> 01:00:52,820 over the body and pointed out a number 1282 01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:55,340 of the anomalies that we've found now 1283 01:00:59,380 --> 01:00:56,960 that's that's absolutely honest I mean 1284 01:01:02,740 --> 01:00:59,390 the there is some anomaly anatomical 1285 01:01:05,050 --> 01:01:02,750 anomalies in regard Miria absolutely and 1286 01:01:06,940 --> 01:01:05,060 they write to pit that all these doctors 1287 01:01:09,220 --> 01:01:06,950 are you know but the question remains 1288 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:09,230 the biggest question is you know could 1289 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:11,090 they have been doctored is there is 1290 01:01:15,790 --> 01:01:12,890 could they have been manufactured in 1291 01:01:18,490 --> 01:01:15,800 work have somebody got hold of a body 1292 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:18,500 which apparently has been carbon-dated 1293 01:01:25,420 --> 01:01:22,010 by the way guys on to independent 1294 01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:25,430 research facilities have been something 1295 01:01:31,330 --> 01:01:29,090 like 242 490 AD medina we still think 1296 01:01:35,140 --> 01:01:31,340 that could very well possibly be around 1297 01:01:36,730 --> 01:01:35,150 about 1800 years old our body but 1298 01:01:38,770 --> 01:01:36,740 nevertheless though if suddenly has 1299 01:01:41,950 --> 01:01:38,780 located a body like that and conducted 1300 01:01:44,050 --> 01:01:41,960 these anatomical changes i is that what 1301 01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:44,060 we're looking at or is it simply that 1302 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:47,570 she is what she is a humanoid type 1303 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:50,090 figure that seems to have these unusual 1304 01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:51,770 anatomical difference especially being 1305 01:01:55,810 --> 01:01:54,530 three toes and three three fingers but 1306 01:01:57,850 --> 01:01:55,820 of course it doesn't help the situation 1307 01:02:00,610 --> 01:01:57,860 when you know certain people like 1308 01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:00,620 Jaime's is he's addressed to this to 1309 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:03,200 this type of investigation and because 1310 01:02:06,940 --> 01:02:04,730 he has been involved in a number of 1311 01:02:09,850 --> 01:02:06,950 other investigations that are turned out 1312 01:02:11,410 --> 01:02:09,860 to have more mundane explanations and 1313 01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:11,420 there were lots of suspicious people out 1314 01:02:14,430 --> 01:02:13,250 there and I understand the reasons that 1315 01:02:17,290 --> 01:02:14,440 might be 1316 01:02:19,780 --> 01:02:17,300 however from we had the opportunity 1317 01:02:22,210 --> 01:02:19,790 myself and by to interview Jaime at 1318 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:22,220 great length whilst we were in Lima we 1319 01:02:27,580 --> 01:02:23,930 were met with him at the time because a 1320 01:02:29,650 --> 01:02:27,590 big press announcement and he was quite 1321 01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:29,660 honest and saying you know he'd gone to 1322 01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:33,200 the ministry himself and said look would 1323 01:02:36,340 --> 01:02:34,610 you be interested in trying to find out 1324 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:36,350 more work with us and of course the 1325 01:02:38,860 --> 01:02:37,490 ministry just step back from it they 1326 01:02:40,180 --> 01:02:38,870 didn't want to get involved you know 1327 01:02:43,150 --> 01:02:40,190 their own oh no no we don't we don't 1328 01:02:46,180 --> 01:02:43,160 even entertain Jaime and his team in 1329 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:46,190 regarding and going into discussions 1330 01:02:48,980 --> 01:02:47,810 regarding these discoveries they 1331 01:02:51,380 --> 01:02:48,990 wouldn't be just did one honey 1332 01:02:55,010 --> 01:02:51,390 to deal with which is very unusual 1333 01:02:57,500 --> 01:02:55,020 because what happened the night prior to 1334 01:02:58,970 --> 01:02:57,510 the event the press announcement was 1335 01:03:01,849 --> 01:02:58,980 very interesting if you wanna ask black 1336 01:03:03,980 --> 01:03:01,859 what went on there Barry oh my god it 1337 01:03:06,859 --> 01:03:03,990 turned into a complete nightmare for us 1338 01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:06,869 and never mind anyone else who was in 1339 01:03:11,420 --> 01:03:09,510 attendance you see we we ended up 1340 01:03:13,849 --> 01:03:11,430 arriving at this hotel which was a very 1341 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:13,859 plush hotel whether with the the press 1342 01:03:20,180 --> 01:03:17,970 conference was being held and to film in 1343 01:03:22,220 --> 01:03:20,190 a hotel we had to get permission from 1344 01:03:25,940 --> 01:03:22,230 from the hotel staff from the hotel 1345 01:03:29,329 --> 01:03:25,950 manager um and that's where our problems 1346 01:03:33,230 --> 01:03:29,339 began because it seemed that that to 1347 01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:33,240 gain permission from the hotel we also 1348 01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,130 had to have permission from the person 1349 01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:37,920 that organized the event now the event 1350 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:40,680 we were there to film on behalf on for 1351 01:03:46,460 --> 01:03:42,450 the enquiry Institute who were based 1352 01:03:48,730 --> 01:03:46,470 back in Cusco so the guys arrived we got 1353 01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:48,740 permission from them I frog-marched M 1354 01:03:54,410 --> 01:03:51,930 Tre to the to the front desk ma'am 1355 01:03:57,020 --> 01:03:54,420 and it turned out that that that wasn't 1356 01:03:59,060 --> 01:03:57,030 good enough that we had to have the 1357 01:04:01,460 --> 01:03:59,070 person who footed the bill for the 1358 01:04:04,030 --> 01:04:01,470 entire event I think it was permission 1359 01:04:06,589 --> 01:04:04,040 and before they would sign the paperwork 1360 01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:06,599 now this was an international press 1361 01:04:10,339 --> 01:04:08,220 conference that was going that was 1362 01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:10,349 coming to the hotel and it seemed that 1363 01:04:16,550 --> 01:04:12,240 no one in the hotel seemed to know that 1364 01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:16,560 this was going on hmm and so as as the 1365 01:04:23,540 --> 01:04:20,609 as the the minutes ticked by and we 1366 01:04:26,660 --> 01:04:23,550 managed to find the person who had paid 1367 01:04:29,690 --> 01:04:26,670 for the entire event and told him of the 1368 01:04:32,930 --> 01:04:29,700 situation he was notably furious and 1369 01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:32,940 said of course you can film um and he 1370 01:04:40,579 --> 01:04:36,720 sent an email then to the to the hotel I 1371 01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:40,589 am authorizing us to film that wasn't 1372 01:04:47,570 --> 01:04:44,400 good enough it seems now that the hotel 1373 01:04:50,180 --> 01:04:47,580 then decided that M no you will need to 1374 01:04:52,609 --> 01:04:50,190 send an email directly through this 1375 01:04:56,030 --> 01:04:52,619 particular person our employee who has 1376 01:04:59,060 --> 01:04:56,040 been dealing with the event and the 1377 01:04:59,970 --> 01:04:59,070 secretary of this person who paid for 1378 01:05:02,730 --> 01:04:59,980 everything 1379 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:02,740 now by this stage we were already in the 1380 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:06,010 last day it was that morning in fact and 1381 01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:08,410 that this fiasco that this had stretched 1382 01:05:13,050 --> 01:05:09,849 out over over the course of the evening 1383 01:05:14,849 --> 01:05:13,060 um and it just got to a stage then we 1384 01:05:17,250 --> 01:05:14,859 weren't even allowed to see the room 1385 01:05:19,980 --> 01:05:17,260 that this that the function was going 1386 01:05:23,099 --> 01:05:19,990 ahead in yeah well how on earth is 1387 01:05:25,310 --> 01:05:23,109 anyone else going to attend and film in 1388 01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:25,320 an international press conference and 1389 01:05:32,310 --> 01:05:30,609 and in fact I we'd overheard a number 1390 01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:32,320 people being turned away because they 1391 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:33,849 were coming in and asking the staff 1392 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:36,010 where's this event and they would be 1393 01:05:38,849 --> 01:05:37,450 said well them we don't we don't know 1394 01:05:42,359 --> 01:05:38,859 what you're talking about living random 1395 01:05:44,430 --> 01:05:42,369 so this was very very suspicious we 1396 01:05:49,980 --> 01:05:44,440 noticed we noticed a stark increase in 1397 01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:49,990 security and and the hotel lobby and and 1398 01:05:54,780 --> 01:05:51,910 one of the stipulations in fact actually 1399 01:05:57,690 --> 01:05:54,790 was that that if we were granted 1400 01:06:01,319 --> 01:05:57,700 permission to film that they wanted to 1401 01:06:03,810 --> 01:06:01,329 know who we were filming and and they 1402 01:06:04,890 --> 01:06:03,820 wanted their names and they know if 1403 01:06:08,370 --> 01:06:04,900 there were going to be staying in the 1404 01:06:10,829 --> 01:06:08,380 hotel as well very very unusual requests 1405 01:06:13,710 --> 01:06:10,839 and complications that were going ahead 1406 01:06:15,329 --> 01:06:13,720 to be honest and bureaucracy was a 1407 01:06:17,069 --> 01:06:15,339 complete nightmare and I'm surprised 1408 01:06:20,670 --> 01:06:17,079 anything could be done in that country 1409 01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:20,680 with the bureaucracy but eventually of 1410 01:06:24,210 --> 01:06:22,480 course the morning came around we still 1411 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:24,220 couldn't find the person we were told oh 1412 01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:27,730 that person will be in an Aes 7:30 7:30 1413 01:06:32,579 --> 01:06:29,050 I was at the desk 1414 01:06:34,500 --> 01:06:32,589 she didn't arrive until 8:30 8:30 came 1415 01:06:37,770 --> 01:06:34,510 the press conference mind you was 1416 01:06:39,030 --> 01:06:37,780 beginning at 10 o'clock and 8:30 came 1417 01:06:42,059 --> 01:06:39,040 she hadn't arrived 1418 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:42,069 she'll be there at 9:30 9:30 arrived she 1419 01:06:48,089 --> 01:06:45,250 hadn't come so we just had to say right 1420 01:06:50,460 --> 01:06:48,099 to hell with this and we forced her way 1421 01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:50,470 into the into the room along with the 1422 01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:54,250 other camera man I met at and and and we 1423 01:06:59,630 --> 01:06:56,530 set up and we we filmed the press 1424 01:07:02,880 --> 01:06:59,640 conference he was on with it and there 1425 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:02,890 it was a bit it was a logistic go back I 1426 01:07:05,970 --> 01:07:04,210 mean apart from that they've gone 1427 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:05,980 completely locked down on the only 1428 01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:09,130 elevators that day which means that you 1429 01:07:13,180 --> 01:07:10,960 could only travel to the floor you were 1430 01:07:14,770 --> 01:07:13,190 staying on and that was I mean 1431 01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:14,780 we couldn't even go to other people's 1432 01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:17,839 rooms to interview them you know it was 1433 01:07:22,359 --> 01:07:20,690 just every single corner that we turned 1434 01:07:25,089 --> 01:07:22,369 to do his soon to be the brick wall in 1435 01:07:28,450 --> 01:07:25,099 place but Sir and then they eventually 1436 01:07:30,550 --> 01:07:28,460 after all the messing about the press 1437 01:07:32,260 --> 01:07:30,560 conference started and and then they 1438 01:07:35,620 --> 01:07:32,270 were further disturbances weirdly berry 1439 01:07:37,569 --> 01:07:35,630 oh my goodness there as soon as soon as 1440 01:07:39,730 --> 01:07:37,579 they took the podium and began to talk 1441 01:07:41,650 --> 01:07:39,740 and introduce every are welcome everyone 1442 01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:41,660 to to the press conference which was 1443 01:07:45,099 --> 01:07:43,730 packed I gotta say there were cameras 1444 01:07:56,890 --> 01:07:45,109 from everywhere right across South 1445 01:07:58,569 --> 01:07:56,900 America how did they manage to get in as 1446 01:08:01,690 --> 01:07:58,579 soon as soon as there as the press 1447 01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:01,700 conference started them from the floor 1448 01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:04,609 below us and it was like clockwork 1449 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:07,849 from the floor below us this god-awful 1450 01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:12,410 banging this repetition ER and continued 1451 01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:14,240 through the press conference we thought 1452 01:08:18,099 --> 01:08:16,250 what on earth and actually got to a 1453 01:08:20,349 --> 01:08:18,109 stage where the press conference had to 1454 01:08:25,570 --> 01:08:20,359 be stopped because the noise was too 1455 01:08:28,450 --> 01:08:25,580 loud it was unbelievable it was faced 1456 01:08:30,459 --> 01:08:28,460 right up until the press come on during 1457 01:08:31,059 --> 01:08:30,469 the press conference he was very very 1458 01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:31,069 difficult 1459 01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:33,890 III by this time I actually ran off to 1460 01:08:37,900 --> 01:08:36,319 to staff numerous staff and was telling 1461 01:08:39,370 --> 01:08:37,910 him about this noise you know we didn't 1462 01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:39,380 have to deal with something people to 1463 01:08:42,579 --> 01:08:40,730 the turning all the cameras off because 1464 01:08:44,260 --> 01:08:42,589 it's going to come to a stop because we 1465 01:08:47,140 --> 01:08:44,270 can't hear anything was that loud and 1466 01:08:49,180 --> 01:08:47,150 they just looked at me you know I didn't 1467 01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:49,190 just profound looks on the face I said 1468 01:08:52,780 --> 01:08:51,199 we need some help you know and then 1469 01:08:55,570 --> 01:08:52,790 nobody seemed to none of the staff 1470 01:08:57,370 --> 01:08:55,580 seemed to give give any care or concern 1471 01:08:59,680 --> 01:08:57,380 about this so this went on for a 1472 01:09:01,920 --> 01:08:59,690 duration for 20 minutes it was brought 1473 01:09:04,990 --> 01:09:01,930 back about 20 minutes this whole event 1474 01:09:06,729 --> 01:09:05,000 until it ceased and but he was just 1475 01:09:08,849 --> 01:09:06,739 perfectly timed at the time we started 1476 01:09:11,769 --> 01:09:08,859 talking this is when this happened no 1477 01:09:15,010 --> 01:09:11,779 looking back through all this and all 1478 01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:15,020 the complications we had we can only 1479 01:09:18,700 --> 01:09:17,120 assume that they've been a considerable 1480 01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:18,710 amount we do know that that they've been 1481 01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:21,650 considerable now our pressure from the 1482 01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:23,210 Peruvian government they didn't want 1483 01:09:27,019 --> 01:09:25,520 this announcements of no ahead in fact a 1484 01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:27,029 month prior to 1485 01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:29,250 the announcement they put out in the 1486 01:09:35,419 --> 01:09:32,250 papers had a complete discrediting of 1487 01:09:39,049 --> 01:09:35,429 all this information that was all fake 1488 01:09:40,970 --> 01:09:39,059 and it was all doctored and don't 1489 01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:40,980 believe their and this was this went 1490 01:09:46,819 --> 01:09:43,199 across all the national papers in in 1491 01:09:48,769 --> 01:09:46,829 Peru and of course but come the time of 1492 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:48,779 the event because we went out and talked 1493 01:09:52,579 --> 01:09:50,730 to the people on the streets dead no 1494 01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:52,589 coin this was happening on that I knows 1495 01:09:58,640 --> 01:09:56,250 was a nobody had any idea there been no 1496 01:10:00,439 --> 01:09:58,650 publicizing they'd be had not nobody had 1497 01:10:02,990 --> 01:10:00,449 bothered even trying to publicize this 1498 01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:03,000 event and yet you know local aid would 1499 01:10:05,779 --> 01:10:04,710 be was a massive turnout and I think 1500 01:10:07,370 --> 01:10:05,789 that could only have been through the 1501 01:10:09,410 --> 01:10:07,380 internet the process of the internet 1502 01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:09,420 because there Peru was certainly going 1503 01:10:13,089 --> 01:10:11,730 clamp down on this and it would seem 1504 01:10:15,620 --> 01:10:13,099 that maybe pressure have been applied 1505 01:10:17,930 --> 01:10:15,630 maybe a call had been put forward to me 1506 01:10:19,729 --> 01:10:17,940 to the person who runs the hotel you 1507 01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:19,739 know that we weren't going to get this 1508 01:10:24,740 --> 01:10:22,489 very easy and that was the end of that 1509 01:10:26,629 --> 01:10:24,750 all right gentlemen we need to go to our 1510 01:10:28,970 --> 01:10:26,639 bottom at the hour break so we come back 1511 01:10:31,399 --> 01:10:28,980 with continue this conversation about 1512 01:10:41,839 --> 01:10:31,409 the press conference and you listening 1513 01:10:48,569 --> 01:10:45,989 now back to exploring the bazaars with 1514 01:10:51,569 --> 01:10:48,579 two of the most electrifying researchers 1515 01:10:58,319 --> 01:10:51,579 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy 1516 01:10:59,759 --> 01:10:58,329 beckoning Anton Swartz welcome back to 1517 01:11:02,520 --> 01:10:59,769 the final segment of exploring the 1518 01:11:06,419 --> 01:11:02,530 bazaar and we were talking about the 1519 01:11:10,169 --> 01:11:06,429 press conference from hell there in Peru 1520 01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:10,179 and so gentlemen why don't you what you 1521 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:13,090 tell us just exactly what was discussed 1522 01:11:20,189 --> 01:11:15,010 what was this press conference about 1523 01:11:21,540 --> 01:11:20,199 what did they say that was or did they 1524 01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:21,550 say anything that was earth-shattering 1525 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:26,489 oh let's blame that one well I gotta say 1526 01:11:31,950 --> 01:11:30,010 Tim that that we we went into this with 1527 01:11:34,459 --> 01:11:31,960 high hopes and we were thinking this is 1528 01:11:38,250 --> 01:11:34,469 it know the world is going to know em 1529 01:11:40,919 --> 01:11:38,260 and and as we watched em setting aside 1530 01:11:44,569 --> 01:11:40,929 the fiasco of the the banging from the 1531 01:11:48,089 --> 01:11:44,579 floors below and as we watched and we 1532 01:11:50,850 --> 01:11:48,099 were being shown x-rays after x-ray 1533 01:11:55,649 --> 01:11:50,860 after x-ray an opinion after opinion 1534 01:11:59,489 --> 01:11:55,659 after opinion and from from the from the 1535 01:12:02,339 --> 01:11:59,499 the specialists on the panel but nothing 1536 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:02,349 was being discussed of DNA results and 1537 01:12:05,609 --> 01:12:03,130 let's face it 1538 01:12:08,669 --> 01:12:05,619 that's what we needed to know the whole 1539 01:12:11,279 --> 01:12:08,679 world was sitting waiting on this huge 1540 01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:11,289 press conference that was that was being 1541 01:12:15,660 --> 01:12:13,690 highlighted as being the most important 1542 01:12:20,189 --> 01:12:15,670 thing since the beginning of time and 1543 01:12:24,299 --> 01:12:20,199 and and all of a sudden it just suddenly 1544 01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:24,309 nosedived a steeper M and crashed and 1545 01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:27,369 burned because they didn't bring their 1546 01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:31,840 DNA results and that was not what we 1547 01:12:37,589 --> 01:12:34,960 thought was was a huge mistake huge 1548 01:12:40,620 --> 01:12:37,599 mistake and because if they were wanting 1549 01:12:44,459 --> 01:12:40,630 to make that impact they certainly 1550 01:12:46,799 --> 01:12:44,469 didn't do it and and and that led to a 1551 01:12:49,220 --> 01:12:46,809 lot more questions from from our side 1552 01:12:50,900 --> 01:12:49,230 because Steve and I let's face it 1553 01:12:52,850 --> 01:12:50,910 we were there we were there to find out 1554 01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:52,860 the truth we wanted to find out what 1555 01:12:58,910 --> 01:12:56,250 really was going on in and and Peru who 1556 01:13:01,760 --> 01:12:58,920 was behind us and what was happening and 1557 01:13:04,010 --> 01:13:01,770 and we we had to walk that metal grind 1558 01:13:05,780 --> 01:13:04,020 and that's something that we that we we 1559 01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:05,790 focused on specifically within the 1560 01:13:11,210 --> 01:13:08,370 documentary even and we walk that middle 1561 01:13:13,490 --> 01:13:11,220 ground and I can I can tell you that we 1562 01:13:15,500 --> 01:13:13,500 understand the situation that the 1563 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:15,510 Peruvian government finds itself in and 1564 01:13:21,260 --> 01:13:18,570 I can sympathize because having your 1565 01:13:23,570 --> 01:13:21,270 national heritage slip across the 1566 01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:23,580 borders into other areas around the 1567 01:13:31,310 --> 01:13:26,370 world and disappear more times forever 1568 01:13:33,740 --> 01:13:31,320 is a great shame em and and I know from 1569 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:33,750 my standpoint being Irish and if I 1570 01:13:39,290 --> 01:13:35,610 thought that was happening to our stuff 1571 01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:39,300 I would be livid absolutely furious 1572 01:13:43,460 --> 01:13:40,800 I've been determined to try and stop 1573 01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:43,470 this as well so we could understand the 1574 01:13:47,210 --> 01:13:45,210 other side we can understand that the 1575 01:13:50,270 --> 01:13:47,220 prove the the Peruvian government's need 1576 01:13:52,370 --> 01:13:50,280 to prove these effect and I might add 1577 01:13:55,130 --> 01:13:52,380 that there were that they were doing 1578 01:13:57,500 --> 01:13:55,140 this without having any analysis the 1579 01:13:59,210 --> 01:13:57,510 scientists that came together to MIT to 1580 01:14:01,280 --> 01:13:59,220 claim this was a fraud 1581 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:01,290 base their opinions on what they could 1582 01:14:07,850 --> 01:14:04,650 scrape together off the internet now 1583 01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:07,860 this is meant to be science how on earth 1584 01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:10,530 can they make science from what they can 1585 01:14:15,710 --> 01:14:13,170 scrape from the internet mmm that's a 1586 01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:15,720 heinous act and a terrible abuse of 1587 01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:19,530 scientific protocol so although we can 1588 01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:20,760 understand the Peruvian government 1589 01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:23,760 standpoint and trying to stop and quash 1590 01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:27,330 this black market the way they did it we 1591 01:14:32,060 --> 01:14:30,090 felt was very wrong no on the other side 1592 01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,070 we do not approve of the work here rules 1593 01:14:38,150 --> 01:14:35,040 either em going in and grave robbing and 1594 01:14:39,860 --> 01:14:38,160 everything else but the poverty in Peru 1595 01:14:42,380 --> 01:14:39,870 is immense 1596 01:14:45,470 --> 01:14:42,390 right and this is something that we 1597 01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:45,480 can't state enough within the Western 1598 01:14:50,150 --> 01:14:47,600 society we can be quite comfortable and 1599 01:14:53,180 --> 01:14:50,160 chest as those that are doing things 1600 01:14:55,550 --> 01:14:53,190 that may be illegal and and grave 1601 01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:55,560 robbing and selling off of particular 1602 01:15:00,890 --> 01:14:59,280 items to feed families and whenever 1603 01:15:02,540 --> 01:15:00,900 you're there on the ground you see the 1604 01:15:04,700 --> 01:15:02,550 poverty in Peru 1605 01:15:07,070 --> 01:15:04,710 and it isn't a pleasant thing to see at 1606 01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:07,080 all it makes you appreciate what you 1607 01:15:11,180 --> 01:15:09,570 have at home so we can understand this 1608 01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:11,190 and we wanted to walk this middle ground 1609 01:15:17,770 --> 01:15:14,640 but what we felt the the press 1610 01:15:21,310 --> 01:15:17,780 conference did was let the world down 1611 01:15:24,110 --> 01:15:21,320 because they never brought the proof 1612 01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:24,120 yeah I have a whyever press conference 1613 01:15:28,580 --> 01:15:26,280 if you don't have the DNA evidence it 1614 01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,590 was a very commercial act we believe you 1615 01:15:33,010 --> 01:15:30,960 know what it is May provided some of the 1616 01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:33,020 infantry but he left the cannons at home 1617 01:15:37,870 --> 01:15:35,850 and we purpose and we said it as it is 1618 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:37,880 we did we definitely delivered that and 1619 01:15:42,860 --> 01:15:41,130 we were very surprised we were expecting 1620 01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:42,870 you know the results and it wasn't and 1621 01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:44,730 this is the process of it seemed to have 1622 01:15:50,540 --> 01:15:48,210 been string or strung out you know like 1623 01:15:52,340 --> 01:15:50,550 just like Barry's mentioned to as many a 1624 01:15:54,890 --> 01:15:52,350 times I Dan gleam that carrot just 1625 01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:54,900 influence of everybody so that the you 1626 01:16:00,050 --> 01:15:57,090 know that keeps her interest and and a 1627 01:16:02,210 --> 01:16:00,060 dry behind this however you know we 1628 01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:02,220 might get caught short you know I mean 1629 01:16:08,270 --> 01:16:05,280 at the end of the day we were 1630 01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:08,280 commissioned so our second visit and now 1631 01:16:12,530 --> 01:16:10,080 Susie's was interesting is that we were 1632 01:16:14,060 --> 01:16:12,540 commissioned by the universities the 1633 01:16:16,690 --> 01:16:14,070 universe is that we are dealing with 1634 01:16:19,970 --> 01:16:16,700 proper universities not these back alley 1635 01:16:22,340 --> 01:16:19,980 doctors that we've often find demon with 1636 01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:22,350 many cases like this and these are the 1637 01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:24,330 top world universities and they they 1638 01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,570 were interested did not tell the x-rays 1639 01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:29,520 and things and they've been interested 1640 01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:31,920 you know so a second visit had to had to 1641 01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:34,650 take place and and of course what we've 1642 01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:37,290 what we've gleaned from that is an 1643 01:16:41,330 --> 01:16:39,690 amount of information which can be 1644 01:16:44,270 --> 01:16:41,340 provided to university to conduct 1645 01:16:48,350 --> 01:16:44,280 analysis and that analysis has been 1646 01:16:50,330 --> 01:16:48,360 provided by universities the world's 1647 01:16:52,490 --> 01:16:50,340 leading universities the world's leading 1648 01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:52,500 professors in DNA extraction and 1649 01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:55,410 identification and this will put what it 1650 01:16:58,910 --> 01:16:56,850 will put it to rest one way or another 1651 01:17:01,280 --> 01:16:58,920 and we are going to provide the resource 1652 01:17:04,220 --> 01:17:01,290 and just be honest and put it out there 1653 01:17:06,530 --> 01:17:04,230 and of course you know well if if it 1654 01:17:08,770 --> 01:17:06,540 should be that doctors who have been 1655 01:17:11,420 --> 01:17:08,780 involved in this have made false claims 1656 01:17:13,220 --> 01:17:11,430 then the light will be showing upon them 1657 01:17:14,690 --> 01:17:13,230 in regarding what their statements 1658 01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:14,700 because things like this cannot keep 1659 01:17:18,830 --> 01:17:16,290 keep going going going on 1660 01:17:20,510 --> 01:17:18,840 keep continuing especially when there 1661 01:17:22,460 --> 01:17:20,520 are settle crimes being committed here 1662 01:17:25,550 --> 01:17:22,470 and we understand how the Peruvian 1663 01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,560 government are very obsess about this 1664 01:17:30,230 --> 01:17:27,360 that we also believe that they've been 1665 01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:30,240 made a number of international calls to 1666 01:17:33,410 --> 01:17:31,920 people who have been involved because 1667 01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:33,420 they really do want to clamp down 1668 01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:35,370 they're looking for you know big they're 1669 01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:40,290 really against the the way that the 1670 01:17:44,450 --> 01:17:41,970 people have been involved in this case 1671 01:17:46,730 --> 01:17:44,460 right from the beginning have trapped 1672 01:17:48,620 --> 01:17:46,740 this and now dealing with this they're 1673 01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,630 very upset with them and then of course 1674 01:17:52,910 --> 01:17:50,880 you know they could be they could be 1675 01:17:58,340 --> 01:17:52,920 liable in numerous different ways and 1676 01:18:00,590 --> 01:17:58,350 however as we move into episode 2 this 1677 01:18:02,150 --> 01:18:00,600 we are going to be revealing a huge 1678 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:02,160 amount of information and yes we've 1679 01:18:06,050 --> 01:18:04,650 already got some of our guns we are 1680 01:18:08,450 --> 01:18:06,060 going to be waiting to get all our 1681 01:18:11,300 --> 01:18:08,460 cannons and we're not unlike Jaime we 1682 01:18:14,780 --> 01:18:11,310 are going to deliver everything in one 1683 01:18:17,870 --> 01:18:14,790 fell swoop and and provide all that data 1684 01:18:19,970 --> 01:18:17,880 in one go of course there is also the 1685 01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:19,980 other side of it is that there is a 1686 01:18:24,290 --> 01:18:21,840 mystery surrounding some of these beings 1687 01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:24,300 II there is references all around the 1688 01:18:28,340 --> 01:18:26,130 world of some of these things I believe 1689 01:18:29,570 --> 01:18:28,350 bow even Bobby still research around the 1690 01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:29,580 wilt on some of these things I believe 1691 01:18:35,500 --> 01:18:33,600 Eric yeah it's amazing um you know we we 1692 01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:35,510 think of these three fingered beings and 1693 01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:38,370 and we think owned as care Nazca Peru 1694 01:18:42,860 --> 01:18:40,860 and everything else but a lot of these 1695 01:18:46,330 --> 01:18:42,870 things actually appear closer to home 1696 01:18:49,310 --> 01:18:46,340 than what we what we initially suspected 1697 01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:49,320 and when you start going back into 1698 01:18:56,060 --> 01:18:53,730 history and what our ancestors were 1699 01:18:58,700 --> 01:18:56,070 dealing with and that's whenever we 1700 01:19:01,610 --> 01:18:58,710 start coming across these things and 1701 01:19:04,220 --> 01:19:01,620 we've been able to to track these things 1702 01:19:06,500 --> 01:19:04,230 back back into back into the prehistory 1703 01:19:08,980 --> 01:19:06,510 and and it's going to be interesting 1704 01:19:11,900 --> 01:19:08,990 that this this Steve has indicated M 1705 01:19:16,010 --> 01:19:11,910 part 2 is coming folks 1706 01:19:18,440 --> 01:19:16,020 and and it's gonna be a doozy and I'm 1707 01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:18,450 absolutely thrilled to be part of it and 1708 01:19:24,250 --> 01:19:22,080 there is stuff coming and my god it's 1709 01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:24,260 going to be explosive 1710 01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:27,810 well now ok did I did I understand you 1711 01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:29,730 correctly to say that you were given 1712 01:19:38,030 --> 01:19:33,450 opportunity to take DNA samples we have 1713 01:19:40,250 --> 01:19:38,040 we have yes we we've got none properly 1714 01:19:42,860 --> 01:19:40,260 taken and documented as well because it 1715 01:19:46,100 --> 01:19:42,870 was instruction as to how and where 1716 01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:46,110 these DNA where samples were taken from 1717 01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:47,730 this is what people don't question you 1718 01:19:50,090 --> 01:19:49,050 look at results and think oh that's 1719 01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:50,100 really interesting but they don't 1720 01:19:54,650 --> 01:19:52,410 question how and where was that taken 1721 01:19:56,780 --> 01:19:54,660 from yes yeah because like like we've 1722 01:19:59,240 --> 01:19:56,790 talks with many people and even in 1723 01:20:00,860 --> 01:19:59,250 episode 2 you'll see that that we've 1724 01:20:03,710 --> 01:20:00,870 taught with specialist in how this 1725 01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:03,720 happens that we just been explained that 1726 01:20:09,410 --> 01:20:07,050 coverings on bodies can be you know can 1727 01:20:11,540 --> 01:20:09,420 be dated you know incorrectly because of 1728 01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:11,550 the covering and not the actual body you 1729 01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:13,410 know and I think just as simple as that 1730 01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:15,570 DNA extraction can take your taken from 1731 01:20:20,180 --> 01:20:17,520 somewhere where this contamination you 1732 01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:20,190 know and we were instructed where these 1733 01:20:25,010 --> 01:20:22,530 things had to be taken from to eliminate 1734 01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:25,020 those those processes where extreme you 1735 01:20:29,060 --> 01:20:26,880 could not have been any form or follow 1736 01:20:32,380 --> 01:20:29,070 them there then we would be having and 1737 01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:32,390 all that all that data is currently 1738 01:20:39,290 --> 01:20:36,210 being analyzed including the metal from 1739 01:20:43,550 --> 01:20:39,300 the hand and everything you would hair 1740 01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:43,560 samples skin samples bone samples you 1741 01:20:48,890 --> 01:20:46,290 name it the whole lot and and done in 1742 01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:48,900 such a way that the professionals about 1743 01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:51,570 the university's wanted it building and 1744 01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:53,730 and because of that reason we were going 1745 01:21:00,920 --> 01:20:57,570 to be able to reveal the the accurate 1746 01:21:02,900 --> 01:21:00,930 the real accurate DNA results on and 1747 01:21:04,460 --> 01:21:02,910 even to the point of microcon dual DNA 1748 01:21:08,150 --> 01:21:04,470 you know we will go rule really are 1749 01:21:11,630 --> 01:21:08,160 going health 11 on this well yeah that 1750 01:21:14,060 --> 01:21:11,640 that was the thing that got me thinking 1751 01:21:18,580 --> 01:21:14,070 about you know the DNA samples is that 1752 01:21:22,610 --> 01:21:18,590 you you really needed to get samples of 1753 01:21:26,450 --> 01:21:22,620 the anomalous areas on the bodies the 1754 01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:26,460 hands the feet you know anything 1755 01:21:31,220 --> 01:21:28,530 anything that is really out of their you 1756 01:21:33,229 --> 01:21:31,230 know a me as well as you know like the 1757 01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:33,239 body itself but you know just you know 1758 01:21:37,530 --> 01:21:34,960 anything that 1759 01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:37,540 appears out of the ordinary that could 1760 01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:39,760 have been you know gorilla glued on or 1761 01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:43,120 whatever you know just just to make sure 1762 01:21:48,510 --> 01:21:45,930 that you know you're dealing with an 1763 01:21:49,860 --> 01:21:48,520 actual body and not just something 1764 01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:49,870 that's just been you know piece together 1765 01:21:53,790 --> 01:21:51,690 and you know in a basement somewhere 1766 01:21:55,470 --> 01:21:53,800 well then oh that was the thing we 1767 01:21:57,630 --> 01:21:55,480 wanted to make we wanted to make sure 1768 01:22:00,630 --> 01:21:57,640 that that the that the fingers must the 1769 01:22:02,340 --> 01:22:00,640 body mm-hmm and and that was very very 1770 01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:02,350 important because these tests were not 1771 01:22:10,979 --> 01:22:06,000 being carried out and much to where our 1772 01:22:13,170 --> 01:22:10,989 disappointment and so so this is this is 1773 01:22:15,450 --> 01:22:13,180 why it's being done we want to find out 1774 01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:15,460 for sure no it's gonna go either of two 1775 01:22:20,580 --> 01:22:19,090 ways even the black market the prices in 1776 01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:20,590 the black market or on a shoot through 1777 01:22:29,370 --> 01:22:25,600 the roof and or this will bring a final 1778 01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:29,380 nail in the coffin to the to this hole 1779 01:22:36,780 --> 01:22:32,650 that this whole fiasco of these mummies 1780 01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:36,790 um and and as Steve was already pointed 1781 01:22:43,260 --> 01:22:41,050 out we're going to tell it as is and and 1782 01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:43,270 it's gonna go either of two ways for the 1783 01:22:48,660 --> 01:22:46,330 Peruvian government and so they'll be 1784 01:22:51,060 --> 01:22:48,670 watching no doubt as as as much as 1785 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:51,070 anyone else oh yes I mean would seem 1786 01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:52,570 that they've taken a keen interest in 1787 01:22:57,540 --> 01:22:55,810 our work I'm sure there be happy so we 1788 01:23:01,410 --> 01:22:57,550 see and we're quite happy to you know to 1789 01:23:03,330 --> 01:23:01,420 work with them and you know and provide 1790 01:23:06,060 --> 01:23:03,340 them the results they want 1791 01:23:08,850 --> 01:23:06,070 initially the most important thing to 1792 01:23:10,170 --> 01:23:08,860 them is to reclaim these bodies and have 1793 01:23:12,420 --> 01:23:10,180 them being in fact the in fact they want 1794 01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:12,430 to actually you know have a place to put 1795 01:23:16,860 --> 01:23:14,560 these in some sort of Museum in Nazca 1796 01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:16,870 and we're quite happy to work with these 1797 01:23:20,820 --> 01:23:19,330 will crew being gone if we can you're 1798 01:23:22,530 --> 01:23:20,830 fortunate thing is that we don't know 1799 01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:22,540 where those were where these bodies are 1800 01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:25,090 yeah that's the real downside to it and 1801 01:23:29,970 --> 01:23:27,610 we just don't know we have no idea where 1802 01:23:31,260 --> 01:23:29,980 we were to be honest with you and I 1803 01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:31,270 think that was done obviously purposely 1804 01:23:35,940 --> 01:23:34,210 so what we could backtrack because there 1805 01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:35,950 is always that problem of us spilling 1806 01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:37,360 the beans should be taken Korean 1807 01:23:43,709 --> 01:23:39,610 government as we do believe you know 1808 01:23:46,290 --> 01:23:43,719 Maria is degra gating she's she's slowly 1809 01:23:48,569 --> 01:23:46,300 disappearing unfortunately and you know 1810 01:23:51,689 --> 01:23:48,579 from the first time we saw her appear 1811 01:23:53,159 --> 01:23:51,699 the gaia videos - when we last saw her 1812 01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:53,169 or barry was the last probably last 1813 01:23:58,589 --> 01:23:56,530 person to see Maria she was from 1814 01:24:02,189 --> 01:23:58,599 differences weren't Liberec there was 1815 01:24:03,779 --> 01:24:02,199 yeah yeah we can see those on the the 1816 01:24:05,399 --> 01:24:03,789 elbows the shoulders and things like 1817 01:24:07,349 --> 01:24:05,409 that we could see that that's starting 1818 01:24:10,469 --> 01:24:07,359 to slip through the way that she's being 1819 01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:10,479 preserved is it's it's not right mm it 1820 01:24:17,279 --> 01:24:13,260 needs to be dealt with immediately and 1821 01:24:22,739 --> 01:24:17,289 and and there's this this dragging of 1822 01:24:26,579 --> 01:24:22,749 feet um for whatever purpose by by 1823 01:24:29,459 --> 01:24:26,589 others and on the results is not going 1824 01:24:30,869 --> 01:24:29,469 to caught up with us and in fact I gotta 1825 01:24:34,879 --> 01:24:30,879 say we've become exceptionally 1826 01:24:39,629 --> 01:24:34,889 passionate about us and and driven to 1827 01:24:43,259 --> 01:24:39,639 bring the results forward and and get 1828 01:24:48,029 --> 01:24:43,269 that body and placed where it needs to 1829 01:24:51,839 --> 01:24:48,039 be yeah well it I I tell I'm happy that 1830 01:24:54,750 --> 01:24:51,849 you were also able to get samples of the 1831 01:24:58,319 --> 01:24:54,760 metal that was that was on these bodies 1832 01:25:03,409 --> 01:24:58,329 because you know to me that that part's 1833 01:25:05,969 --> 01:25:03,419 really intriguing because especially the 1834 01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:05,979 what looks to be you know like two 1835 01:25:12,419 --> 01:25:08,649 circles you know and then a bar crossed 1836 01:25:14,879 --> 01:25:12,429 on the on the one bodies chest I mean 1837 01:25:16,649 --> 01:25:14,889 they're not really that apparent just 1838 01:25:20,609 --> 01:25:16,659 eyeballing them but you you know you see 1839 01:25:21,929 --> 01:25:20,619 them clearly and in the x-rays so you 1840 01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:21,939 know it's just it's just you know 1841 01:25:29,489 --> 01:25:25,209 another unusual aspect about this and as 1842 01:25:32,279 --> 01:25:29,499 ed as well I'm I'm surprised actually 1843 01:25:34,889 --> 01:25:32,289 that they allowed you to take these 1844 01:25:37,349 --> 01:25:34,899 samples take DNA samples to samples of 1845 01:25:41,189 --> 01:25:37,359 the metal you know because you think 1846 01:25:43,739 --> 01:25:41,199 that if they were if somebody was trying 1847 01:25:44,699 --> 01:25:43,749 to put off a you know a hoax and you 1848 01:25:46,770 --> 01:25:44,709 know I'm gonna stay in the middle 1849 01:25:48,899 --> 01:25:46,780 grounds hear about this you wouldn't 1850 01:25:51,239 --> 01:25:48,909 think that they would have allowed you 1851 01:25:52,829 --> 01:25:51,249 to do that because that you know that 1852 01:25:54,810 --> 01:25:52,839 would quickly just you know apparently 1853 01:25:59,009 --> 01:25:54,820 just reveal you know like oh yeah this 1854 01:26:00,779 --> 01:25:59,019 is no good cross our mind I think we 1855 01:26:02,430 --> 01:26:00,789 managed to get ourselves into a prime 1856 01:26:04,050 --> 01:26:02,440 position of being up 1857 01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:04,060 basically putting their backs up against 1858 01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:06,400 the wall you know we used to say look 1859 01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:08,080 you know this is we are gonna end this 1860 01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:11,110 for you if we don't we don't get DNA 1861 01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:13,450 analysis it's as simple as that you know 1862 01:26:17,610 --> 01:26:15,520 because if we it can't go on if you 1863 01:26:19,650 --> 01:26:17,620 start it will publicize the fact that we 1864 01:26:21,690 --> 01:26:19,660 will will not be allowed to actually 1865 01:26:23,700 --> 01:26:21,700 take samples we'll put it out there and 1866 01:26:25,290 --> 01:26:23,710 that will be the end of it you know 1867 01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:25,300 because I think it'll surely decrease 1868 01:26:29,700 --> 01:26:27,310 the value on the black market if people 1869 01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:29,710 think start to think that oh I'm dealing 1870 01:26:33,930 --> 01:26:31,510 with a fake here you know and of course 1871 01:26:36,690 --> 01:26:33,940 I can understand that you know being 1872 01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:36,700 probably problematic for them and so we 1873 01:26:40,530 --> 01:26:38,320 kind of backed them backed into a corner 1874 01:26:43,770 --> 01:26:40,540 really I think they've gone as far as 1875 01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:43,780 they could at that time and for it to go 1876 01:26:48,660 --> 01:26:46,330 on any further yeah to deliver some new 1877 01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:48,670 information and probably hope that we 1878 01:26:52,530 --> 01:26:50,490 were going to use maybe some back-alley 1879 01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:52,540 doctors somewhere which would probably 1880 01:26:57,210 --> 01:26:54,730 say oh well you know it's inconclusive 1881 01:26:58,920 --> 01:26:57,220 now as far as I'm concerned inconclusive 1882 01:27:00,480 --> 01:26:58,930 means that well you know is just it's 1883 01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:00,490 just not good enough sample it's taken 1884 01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:02,530 but so many other people inconclusive 1885 01:27:05,970 --> 01:27:04,480 means oh my god it's unidentifiable and 1886 01:27:08,460 --> 01:27:05,980 it's an alien mmm 1887 01:27:10,980 --> 01:27:08,470 this is how people think since I'm stone 1888 01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:10,990 and and the problem is is for them is 1889 01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:12,400 that you know they want to make sure 1890 01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:14,650 that Maria house keeps her value because 1891 01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:16,810 they're looking to sell her and to do 1892 01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:19,120 that and now with the pressure that's on 1893 01:27:23,580 --> 01:27:22,210 them it's gone so far is that I think 1894 01:27:25,610 --> 01:27:23,590 they were backed into a corner of having 1895 01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:25,620 to have the hell I was to do that and 1896 01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:27,490 keeping their fingers crossed that 1897 01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:29,050 something you know inconclusive will 1898 01:27:32,970 --> 01:27:30,850 come back probably what we don't realize 1899 01:27:34,620 --> 01:27:32,980 is that we've used the best universities 1900 01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:34,630 in the world and the best professors in 1901 01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:37,120 DNA extraction you know these guys do 1902 01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:39,250 this for a living day in day out and in 1903 01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:40,870 fact some of the people are involved in 1904 01:27:47,820 --> 01:27:44,800 this are being you know involved in the 1905 01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:47,830 the most significant cases which have 1906 01:27:52,350 --> 01:27:49,930 been documented in regarding DNA 1907 01:27:54,540 --> 01:27:52,360 analysis throughout the world so where 1908 01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:54,550 and even to the point of utilizing new 1909 01:27:59,280 --> 01:27:56,770 technology and DNA analysis we were 1910 01:28:01,950 --> 01:27:59,290 blown away the day before yesterday with 1911 01:28:04,350 --> 01:28:01,960 new information of some form of DNA 1912 01:28:07,470 --> 01:28:04,360 growth and extraction that the planning 1913 01:28:09,690 --> 01:28:07,480 on doing which is completely you know it 1914 01:28:12,750 --> 01:28:09,700 is cutting-edge science which not many 1915 01:28:15,180 --> 01:28:12,760 people know even exists and we you know 1916 01:28:16,260 --> 01:28:15,190 whatever they deliver is going to be the 1917 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:16,270 results I doubting 1918 01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:17,530 very much that they'll come back 1919 01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:20,890 inconclusive because the amount of of 1920 01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:23,770 DNA was obtained and the process of evil 1921 01:28:28,490 --> 01:28:26,650 he was taken from and they guided us the 1922 01:28:32,900 --> 01:28:28,500 whole way through that process so I 1923 01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:32,910 think we'll deliver real concrete 1924 01:28:38,370 --> 01:28:35,920 results when we when we get them 1925 01:28:42,210 --> 01:28:38,380 important make me than public look I 1926 01:28:44,940 --> 01:28:42,220 gotta say that that we do already we do 1927 01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:44,950 know some things and but we're not gonna 1928 01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:48,130 make the same mistake as best conference 1929 01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:50,560 we will hold everything and we release 1930 01:28:55,650 --> 01:28:53,970 we will release it all at the same time 1931 01:28:57,930 --> 01:28:55,660 good for you 1932 01:29:00,270 --> 01:28:57,940 now I know that you know you you can't 1933 01:29:04,890 --> 01:29:00,280 get this from the DNA but I mean did you 1934 01:29:06,750 --> 01:29:04,900 get samples to possibly get a real 1935 01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:06,760 carbon dating you know on these bodies 1936 01:29:10,110 --> 01:29:08,410 tell you you had mentioned before that 1937 01:29:12,990 --> 01:29:10,120 these bodies could be you know like a 1938 01:29:15,150 --> 01:29:13,000 little bit less than 2,000 years old but 1939 01:29:17,370 --> 01:29:15,160 what were the sources you know obvious 1940 01:29:20,940 --> 01:29:17,380 of this carbon dating I mean you know we 1941 01:29:22,860 --> 01:29:20,950 just can't take their the word no the 1942 01:29:25,020 --> 01:29:22,870 first form of analysis was put together 1943 01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:25,030 by the encou Institute trying to gather 1944 01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:27,730 as some evidence it was only minor parts 1945 01:29:32,610 --> 01:29:30,250 of DNA analysis the very basic stuff as 1946 01:29:34,830 --> 01:29:32,620 far as our professors are concerned but 1947 01:29:36,810 --> 01:29:34,840 then we have to question everything it's 1948 01:29:38,850 --> 01:29:36,820 been put out on there so far the other 1949 01:29:41,220 --> 01:29:38,860 doctors statements the analysis has been 1950 01:29:43,410 --> 01:29:41,230 carried out on results we have to 1951 01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:43,420 question everything you know because we 1952 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:44,800 just don't know the sincerity you 1953 01:29:47,610 --> 01:29:46,570 actually do some research into some of 1954 01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:47,620 the doctors and people have been 1955 01:29:51,180 --> 01:29:49,600 involved in this you know you it becomes 1956 01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:51,190 a little bit questionable you know in 1957 01:29:55,980 --> 01:29:53,290 regarding how credible are these some of 1958 01:29:57,900 --> 01:29:55,990 these people and of course how much sure 1959 01:29:59,640 --> 01:29:57,910 how much knowledge do you really have 1960 01:30:01,800 --> 01:29:59,650 you know another you know positions be 1961 01:30:04,290 --> 01:30:01,810 able to provide concrete evidence you 1962 01:30:06,540 --> 01:30:04,300 know which is legitimate so we wiggle 1963 01:30:08,430 --> 01:30:06,550 even a question we the good thing is is 1964 01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:08,440 that we have all their results as well 1965 01:30:12,630 --> 01:30:10,930 and we are we will cross examine their 1966 01:30:13,890 --> 01:30:12,640 results with our results and of course 1967 01:30:15,690 --> 01:30:13,900 our professors have already stepped 1968 01:30:18,900 --> 01:30:15,700 forward and said we are quite happy to 1969 01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:18,910 tell you exactly you know the difference 1970 01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:20,650 between theirs and ours should there be 1971 01:30:24,930 --> 01:30:22,570 in it you know and we'll certainly pull 1972 01:30:26,730 --> 01:30:24,940 that and and what's that's what's going 1973 01:30:29,610 --> 01:30:26,740 to be really interesting is the fact is 1974 01:30:36,230 --> 01:30:29,620 that there is I believe 1975 01:30:41,550 --> 01:30:38,310 but it is what it is at the under 1976 01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:41,560 debating and what we will and like Bobby 1977 01:30:46,260 --> 01:30:44,080 said we'd become very passionate you 1978 01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:46,270 know it's gone on far too long this you 1979 01:30:51,300 --> 01:30:48,610 know Maria needs to she's a real person 1980 01:30:52,650 --> 01:30:51,310 at some point you know and she needs to 1981 01:30:55,290 --> 01:30:52,660 be looked after she needs to be treated 1982 01:30:57,570 --> 01:30:55,300 accordingly and the Peruvian government 1983 01:30:59,940 --> 01:30:57,580 really do need to have her you know 1984 01:31:01,920 --> 01:30:59,950 exactly even if it's just a phone call 1985 01:31:03,780 --> 01:31:01,930 and say pick up a ax you know how did 1986 01:31:05,310 --> 01:31:03,790 anything you know it just just that 1987 01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:05,320 needs to be resolved as soon as possible 1988 01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:10,690 so now are you are you hoping to present 1989 01:31:15,540 --> 01:31:13,210 these results in a press conference or 1990 01:31:18,770 --> 01:31:15,550 in the second part of your documentary 1991 01:31:22,170 --> 01:31:18,780 you know how are you gonna put this out 1992 01:31:27,470 --> 01:31:22,180 Tommy well and we're working we're 1993 01:31:29,580 --> 01:31:27,480 working and diligently on part two and 1994 01:31:31,980 --> 01:31:29,590 considering how long it took us to get 1995 01:31:34,890 --> 01:31:31,990 part one out and which was record time 1996 01:31:38,700 --> 01:31:34,900 and we intend to be doing the same for 1997 01:31:41,550 --> 01:31:38,710 part two and because we don't want we 1998 01:31:44,700 --> 01:31:41,560 want everyone to have access to this and 1999 01:31:45,900 --> 01:31:44,710 everyone should know it and and and 2000 01:31:48,900 --> 01:31:45,910 we're not holding we're not holding 2001 01:31:50,940 --> 01:31:48,910 anything back so definitely the main the 2002 01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:50,950 main focus for us is going to be part 2003 01:31:59,430 --> 01:31:55,810 two of the documentary and any any rough 2004 01:32:06,810 --> 01:31:59,440 idea of when this when this might be 2005 01:32:08,490 --> 01:32:06,820 completed the second of July I think 2006 01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:08,500 we're probably looking around about the 2007 01:32:13,050 --> 01:32:10,330 turnaround probably around about three 2008 01:32:15,180 --> 01:32:13,060 weeks you know and the real well we 2009 01:32:16,860 --> 01:32:15,190 should we have a very quick turnaround 2010 01:32:19,470 --> 01:32:16,870 because we want this information 2011 01:32:21,810 --> 01:32:19,480 delivered as soon as we possibly can and 2012 01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:21,820 what's good is is that I mean we have 2013 01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:23,050 some wonderful responses regarding 2014 01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:26,560 documents because you know there is no 2015 01:32:30,690 --> 01:32:28,330 storyboard there is no cloning you know 2016 01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:30,700 it was literally berries puts a camera 2017 01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:32,290 on me and I'll just try and explain the 2018 01:32:35,820 --> 01:32:33,730 best that can what the hell's going on 2019 01:32:38,910 --> 01:32:35,830 you know and that's because it's very 2020 01:32:42,060 --> 01:32:38,920 raw and I think people will obviously 2021 01:32:43,260 --> 01:32:42,070 see that we'll get the full picture to 2022 01:32:45,180 --> 01:32:43,270 it's not just about 2023 01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:45,190 investigating things like this it's 2024 01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:47,410 trying to deal with the language 2025 01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:50,290 barriers is trying to deal honestly so 2026 01:32:55,710 --> 01:32:52,930 much corruption which is which is going 2027 01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:55,720 on from surprisingly numerous different 2028 01:33:01,710 --> 01:32:58,000 directions which we were surprised to 2029 01:33:04,350 --> 01:33:01,720 find that you don't trust anybody you 2030 01:33:06,630 --> 01:33:04,360 know and of course the whole point is is 2031 01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:06,640 just to completely eliminate into that 2032 01:33:10,710 --> 01:33:08,890 glass of water that we have knowledge 2033 01:33:13,380 --> 01:33:10,720 that we've gathered so far on this case 2034 01:33:15,660 --> 01:33:13,390 just empty the whole thing go and just 2035 01:33:18,630 --> 01:33:15,670 do this right from scratch in a proper 2036 01:33:20,340 --> 01:33:18,640 manner and get the right results and I 2037 01:33:21,180 --> 01:33:20,350 think we're looking at acquit we're 2038 01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:21,190 going to be looking at a quick 2039 01:33:25,470 --> 01:33:22,930 turnaround we probably what we are 2040 01:33:28,830 --> 01:33:25,480 looking to do a press announcement as 2041 01:33:30,870 --> 01:33:28,840 well with the information and and that 2042 01:33:32,790 --> 01:33:30,880 will actually come just after probably 2043 01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:32,800 after the the second part of the 2044 01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:35,530 documentary all right well gentlemen 2045 01:33:40,500 --> 01:33:37,930 we're almost out of time here so really 2046 01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:40,510 quick what's the what's what's your 2047 01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:42,490 YouTube channel that people can find 2048 01:33:47,060 --> 01:33:44,770 your the first part your documentary 2049 01:33:50,370 --> 01:33:47,070 yeah well it's called the mysterious 2050 01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:50,380 bodies of Peru and it can be found on 2051 01:33:57,690 --> 01:33:53,530 the UFO and ancient mysteries network TV 2052 01:34:00,990 --> 01:33:57,700 or as you am and TV for sure on YouTube 2053 01:34:04,050 --> 01:34:01,000 channel or you can go straight to Zohar 2054 01:34:05,250 --> 01:34:04,060 Stargate comm and they are numerous 2055 01:34:07,500 --> 01:34:05,260 different videos on there for their 2056 01:34:09,690 --> 01:34:07,510 platforms and you'll find it through 2057 01:34:11,340 --> 01:34:09,700 that we love all right gentlemen thank 2058 01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:11,350 you very much we're out of time so I 2059 01:34:15,690 --> 01:34:12,970 appreciate you being on with me tonight 2060 01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:15,700 and I'll have to have yann again real 2061 01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:17,650 soon to talk about the rest of this so 2062 01:34:21,300 --> 01:34:19,690 thank you for listening everyone you've 2063 01:34:27,580 --> 01:34:21,310 been listening to exploring the bizarre 2064 01:34:34,430 --> 01:34:30,439 you've been listening to exploring the 2065 01:34:37,669 --> 01:34:34,440 bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley panty 2066 01:34:40,580 --> 01:34:37,679 Swartz they're taking back the night by 2067 01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:40,590 jetting non-stop across the cosmos in 2068 01:34:46,750 --> 01:34:43,170 search of the truly bizarre and totally 2069 01:34:49,450 --> 01:34:46,760 unexplained with you as their codes 2070 01:34:53,930 --> 01:34:49,460 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 2071 01:34:55,149 --> 01:34:53,940 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital 2072 01:34:57,610 --> 01:34:55,159 radio 2073 01:35:01,030 --> 01:34:57,620 for more information on exploring the 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